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Post by K1power on May 13, 2015 9:41:56 GMT 1
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Post by kbfan on May 13, 2015 10:39:44 GMT 1
I'm just going by your quote, but what would Glory's sabotage be in this? That they barred Ristie's trainer from the ring?
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Post by K1power on May 13, 2015 11:55:01 GMT 1
Actually I'm reading a quite number of comments from people who are calling Glory shenanigans on several outlets. I'm only speculating here, but I guess the idea is that the glove mishap proved as a convenient opportunity for Glory to indirectly bully out another somewhat expensive fighter that isn't necessarily a huge draw ratings wise.
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Post by kbfan on May 13, 2015 12:14:28 GMT 1
I still don't get it. Did Glory mess with Ristie's gloves? Did Glory punish Ristie so that he can't fight in Glory anymore? I see they punished his trainer, was he the one the messed with the gloves?
Bottom line is, as i understand it now, if Glory had nothing to do with Ristie's gloves i don't see what their sabotage is. Sure, i might be missing some part of the puzzle here and spewing non sense. If so, please straiten me up.
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Post by roy2015 (Banned) on May 13, 2015 12:43:40 GMT 1
What sabotage, K1power? Please explain. It looks like the trainer of Ristie is using dirty tactics. The American referees are so much better.
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Post by K1power on May 13, 2015 12:53:55 GMT 1
Like I said:
Now I'm not the one calling foul play from anyone, but I wouldn't put it past either side either. Thus far to me an accident seems likely as apparently the loose thumb just affected one glove. I'm sure this isn't the last we'll hear from this though.
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Post by kbfan on May 13, 2015 14:04:54 GMT 1
Oh, i get it, so Glory had nothing to do with it (no sabotage), but they took advantage of the opportunity of punishing Ristie so that they don't have to use him anymore? Were they supposed to turn a blind eye to this?
Basically, is Glory's punishment "Andy Ristie's Trainer Barred From GLORY Ring" correct? Or they went overboard with it? If it's too severe, more than what it should have been, i can understand what people are saying. If it's a normal punishment then it's just people creating drama out of nothing.
p.s. am i correct in saying that Ristie is allowed to fight in Glory, it's just that his trainer can't be ring side? If so, that doesn't sounds too bad, if it's for a couple of fights. It's not permanent, no?
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Post by dvewlsh on May 13, 2015 21:15:51 GMT 1
Ristie can fight but Flamingo is barred from ringside. Ristie is saying that he won't fight without him, though, which leads us to a bit of an impasse.
The reason that I littered that article with "seen on MixFight" is because MixFight has been known to have some deep affiliations with some GLORY fighters, such as key people who own MixFight managing guys and whatever. MixFight was also the only site sent this information and has been a bit bitter towards GLORY of late.
Just sayin'.
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Post by rictor on May 13, 2015 21:49:24 GMT 1
Dirty political plays as in the best days of K-1. MixFight initially being heavy pro-Glory (they were even sponsored by them or did I mix something up?), later after some big Dutch names ousted from the org surprisingly critical of them. Glory bullying some fighters if given the right opportunity (don't ask names; either way, almost anyone can figure some). Black Label supporting the org and not their fighter (surprising, management big wigs still in ties with Glory...; wasn't Black Label a part of the It's Showtime sale to Glory by the way? just like how Golden Glory in the best interest of fighters managed by them were arbitralily signing contracts on their part no matter what said fighters wanted themselves, like the van Roosmalen case). And Ristie being stubborn and not wanting to fight without his trainer ringside, don't know how much of a disadvantage that may be but it seems to me it's more about personal pride really. Wouldn't be surprised to see him take some fights in China for Kunlun or whatever now.
And like a broken record, gotta repeat. It was good bashing K-1 for politics but if Glory does the same thing it's alright. After all if Glory ends the sport of kickboxing dies. Good Lord...
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Post by K1power on May 15, 2015 10:18:04 GMT 1
And like a broken record, gotta repeat. It was good bashing K-1 for politics but if Glory does the same thing it's alright. After all if Glory ends the sport of kickboxing dies. Good Lord... This. "You have to support Glory for the future of our sport!" Glory is turning into the American version of SuperKombat, but with a bigger budget. |
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Post by dvewlsh on May 15, 2015 11:16:53 GMT 1
Is Mighty Mo the Lungu of America, then?
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Post by kbfan on May 15, 2015 12:13:18 GMT 1
And like a broken record, gotta repeat. It was good bashing K-1 for politics but if Glory does the same thing it's alright. After all if Glory ends the sport of kickboxing dies. Good Lord... "You have to support Glory for the future of our sport!" I will surely support them if they continue with cards like the upcoming one in france. But if they continue with shit cards like the one in the US and other stuff like the absolutely HORRIBLE rankings i would rather them just dying than the sport becoming a joke of it's former self. |
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Post by K1power on May 15, 2015 12:23:06 GMT 1
Well that's the thing. I don't agree with the "You have to support Glory for the future of our sport!" at all. Glory =/= the sport of kickboxing. Is Mighty Mo the Lungu of America, then? While I do feel that only h can answer that question, I'm tending toward YES. |
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Post by h on May 15, 2015 20:09:47 GMT 1
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Post by dvewlsh on May 17, 2015 3:07:38 GMT 1
Well that's the thing. I don't agree with the "You have to support Glory for the future of our sport!" at all. Glory =/= the sport of kickboxing. Is Mighty Mo the Lungu of America, then? While I do feel that only h can answer that question, I'm tending toward YES. The "support GLORY to support kickboxing" thing is a bit of a double-edged sword. At one point that was the case. They had EVERYONE under contract, were bandying about the same kind of money as FEG's K-1 was and every show felt like it was a big deal. The GLORY that exists today is very different from that GLORY, from the management down to the fighters under contract. I think that the GLORY of right now could help kickboxing to breakthrough in America, as for the rest of the world? I'm not so sure that's the case anymore. I feel that China could really be the place that resurrects the sport right now, although I'm not sure that Kunlun will be that promotion. There is money to be made there, a desire to watch the sport at any level (as seen by the ratings K-1 pulled in) and a good opportunity to build the sport up again. Of course I'd be happiest if K-1 just never died and we were still watching the brand thrive in Japan, but alas. |
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