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Post by h on Jul 2, 2014 18:30:36 GMT 1
im looking fwd to the team getting better. seemed a lot of people over here were into it. the team had a lot of support this year. it can only help the sport here and also help our team get better. we've got a goalie, we've got heart. we've got to catch up on the rest. its too bad tim howard is already up there in age... hes going to need to be replaced too and thats going to suck.
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Post by Jofeljoh! on Jul 2, 2014 19:34:29 GMT 1
It would be pretty awesome if it finally catches on in the States.
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Post by h on Jul 2, 2014 21:09:26 GMT 1
its made strides for sure. im into it now. i never did watch seriously until the 2010 world cup. but now i watch it n pay attention to what is going on like i do nfl and mlb, etc.
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Post by K1power on Jul 2, 2014 22:02:39 GMT 1
That's awesome, and I'm not even a big football buff myself.
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Post by h on Jul 2, 2014 22:14:24 GMT 1
i just need to get all the rules down and im good. i still struggle with that in hockey too. lol.
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Post by Jofeljoh! on Jul 3, 2014 8:52:46 GMT 1
At least the rules aren't that complicated.  Offside is probably the most difficult rule in the beginning when you just start watching (it's a running gag dat women won't ever understand that rule). And I do sense a few cultural differences when it comes to diving/flopping/embellishment. Of course there will be always discussions and disagreements, the penalty of Robben was one of them. I have had some discussions with another American friend of mine and I just can't convince him that it was a legitimate penalty. Yes Robben is a dramaqueen, yes he sold it, yes he overacted... but according to the rules it was a penalty. There was contact (twice) and it was a foul, and when it's a foul in the box, you can give a penalty. I can understand it when you come from a culture with a lot of rouc contact sports (hockey, american football, boxing, etc) that the kind of contact there was between Robben and Marquez, you think that it was a dive, but in soccer it's still enough to penalize. |
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Post by Jofeljoh! on Jul 3, 2014 9:14:07 GMT 1
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Post by aubtin on Jul 3, 2014 16:43:47 GMT 1
its made strides for sure. im into it now. i never did watch seriously until the 2010 world cup. but now i watch it n pay attention to what is going on like i do nfl and mlb, etc. Wooooowwww!!!!!! And I do sense a few cultural differences when it comes to diving/flopping/embellishment. I feel sorry for the American fans who are just getting into football and have to deal with the absurdity that is diving in the modern game. We grew up with football so we've become numbed by it over time, as the diving & over-acting as become more extreme. But to come in with this as your starting point, it must be hard to fathom. Does make me laugh when I see American fans and media complaining about it though, is it common knowledge there that their leader was one of the absolute pioneers of such behaviour?... |
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Post by miscmisc on Jul 3, 2014 17:54:52 GMT 1
I think there are dives to get FK/PK's out of thin air, and then dives that are perfectly reasonable. You just have to dive sometimes in order to avoid injuries. I was either a winger or a playmaker when I played football, and if you had told me to stay on my feet "like a man" when a fullback's legs were about to bend my left leg in a funny direction, I would've told you to go screw yourself. Yes, there was no contact in the end, because I dived preemptively. But you couldn't accuse me of poor sportsmanship.
It's not that difficult to tell the difference between the two kinds of "dives", at least if you've ever played the sport on a semi-competitive level. But I so often see even ex-professional footballers unfairly accuse players of cheating when they only instinctively threw their body to go out of harm's way. I'm as disturbed by that as I'm by all the cheats.
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Post by h on Jul 3, 2014 18:08:39 GMT 1
anybody that watches basketball over here ought to be conditioned by flops n such. it used to happen a lot. they introduced a rule to stop it though. they'll foul you now for being too dramatic trying to draw fouls.
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Post by miscmisc on Jul 3, 2014 18:39:08 GMT 1
The divers are quite often yellow-carded, but certainly not all of them, and sometimes the refs book players when they are absolutely innocent (at least in my opinion). It's quite difficult, and to be frank, it's probably impossible for the ref to get it right all the time. BTW, butt-hurt Landon Donovan, who was left out of the US national team, is sort of criticizing Klinsmann's "tactics". www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/03/world-cup-2014-landon-donovan-jurgen-klinsmann-usaHe's certainly not the most calm, modest person in the world, but I kinda get what he's saying, in that I agree that the US did make Belgium look better than they actually are. They are a very good team, the best Rode Duivels in years and years, granted, but believe me, not THAT good. Howard had to make 16 saves in the game, the World Cup record. When was the last time Belgium showed that kind of ferocious attacks? Certainly not in any of their European qualifying matches (other than the ones against the minnows), or in the subsequent friendlies, or in the group stage. I've probably seen most of their games in the last few years, and I don't recall any where they dictated the game in such a fashion as if they were a Germany. Certainly never against a team as good as the US. Their style is much more... well, subtle, for lack of a better word. Their recent success came largely from their defense, actually. It was a great game, mind you, full of drama, but I was a little flabbergasted by the way the US gave away so much in midfield. I wouldn't blame it on Klinsmann's "tactics". "Tactics" are overrated. But whatever it was wasn't working for one reason or another, and only the massive gringo huevos kept the US in the game for 120 minutes. |
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Post by h on Jul 3, 2014 19:05:07 GMT 1
MASSIVE GRINGO HUEVOS!!!!! i so wish Jozy could have played. they said he was ready they just didnt know how many minutes. apparently it was zero minutes.
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Post by h on Jul 3, 2014 19:11:18 GMT 1
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Post by aubtin on Jul 4, 2014 7:05:37 GMT 1
It's not that difficult to tell the difference between the two kinds of "dives", at least if you've ever played the sport on a semi-competitive level. But I so often see even ex-professional footballers unfairly accuse players of cheating when they only instinctively threw their body to go out of harm's way. I'm as disturbed by that as I'm by all the cheats. Wow, in the UK at least I've never heard a pundit complain about diving in that sense, that's definitely taking it a step too far. I think the big problem is the players' actions once they have had to preemptively dive. It's the rolling about, diving, clutching one's leg, insinuating a contact that never happened that's the problem. Perfect example: Klinsmann's absurd acting in the video above. |
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Post by K1power on Jul 4, 2014 18:56:09 GMT 1
And Germany is in the Semi Finals!
Extremely strong performance from France.
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