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Post by K1power on Jun 10, 2017 22:13:06 GMT 1
Cédric Doumbé defeats Nieky Holzken by Split Decision
Perhaps this passing of the torch is a good thing as for the last two years or so Holzken, even when still winning fights, hasn't looked the same.
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Post by K1power on Jun 10, 2017 22:27:27 GMT 1
This event had good fights top to bottom and would have gotten a glowing endorsement from me if it wasn't for the whole Murthel Groenhart/Harut Grigorian situation, which put a huge dent in the event as a whole and doesn't make Glory look good at all.
I will say this; While perfectly legal, attacking an opponent who has his back turned is a bit dirty. Having said that, this is fighting, there is a lot of adrenaline involved and had the tables been turned Harut might have done the same thing. If anything fishy is going on it's up to the ref to address it and never the cornermen. Glory should make an example out of team Harut and ban them all - including Harut - for an unspecified period, but as Harut has Nick Hemmers in his corner I don't expect anything will happen other than maybe some people getting a tap on the wrist. It's a disgrace that shit like this can still happen.
Some notes:
- While there did seem to be a decent crowd present at the venue, some shots showed large areas being completely empty.
- during the Doumbé/Holzken fight the crowd in the front had to be reminded to sit down again. Why are European crowds among the absolute worst trash in the world? Because it really isn't just the (Dutch)Moroccan Badr fanboys.
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Post by K1power on Jun 10, 2017 22:28:03 GMT 1
Having said the above, I still had a lot of fun with this event and hope you guys found some enjoyment as well.
Thanks for joining everyone!
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Post by Shadess on Jun 10, 2017 22:56:48 GMT 1
I don't know about banning team Harut. Wasn't Nick Hemmers pulling off the people who rushed Groenhart?
It's a shame we seem to have this shitty atmosphere of anything goes for Enfusion and in Glory now too. I said it as a joke on twitter but perhaps we need a cage just so random people can't rush in there. I don't have much of an issue with Glory on this but Enfusion needs to act more responsibly. COMPLETELY ignoring things that happen is no way for a promotion to conduct it's business with these sort of things. Oh people got banned? Well we'll just go to another country the following week with them no problem, never say a word about any of it etc.
Jaraya's punishment also still hasn't been decided on has it? Dutchie authority should hurry hell up a little.
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Post by kbfan on Jun 10, 2017 22:59:34 GMT 1
I will say this; While perfectly legal, attacking an opponent who has his back turned is a bit dirty. Personally, i do not agree with with this. I agree with samurai, this is top level kickboxing, there is a title shot on the line. I would've done the same in this situation. Why would i give him the chance to recover? If he feels he needs a timeout, he should take a knee, get an 8 count and get your self checked. Or if you want to avoid the 8 count, just drop your mouth piece, you will only be warned the first time you do it. |
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Post by Shadess on Jun 10, 2017 23:01:03 GMT 1
Yup. Can't have fighters just deciding to take some time off.
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Post by K1power on Jun 10, 2017 23:09:49 GMT 1
I will say this; While perfectly legal, attacking an opponent who has his back turned is a bit dirty. Personally, i do not agree with with this. I agree with samurai, this is top level kickboxing, there is a title shot on the line. I would've done the same in this situation. Why would i give him the chance to recover? If he feels he needs a timeout, he should take a knee, get an 8 count and get your self checked. Or if you want to avoid the 8 count, just drop your mouth piece, you will only be warned the first time you do it. If you're rocked or disoriented, you may not be able to think as far ahead as to take a knee or spit out your mouth piece. Maybe the ref should have acted a bit quicker and call a break and this whole situation could have been avoided. I agree that there probably isn't a solution to situations like these that will satisfy everyone and sometimes shit just happens, but I still think in a situation like this one, attacking someone who has his back turned is a little questionable even if it is perfectly legal. It's not like Harut was taunting Murthel or turning his back is part of his fighting style. Also, I did say that this is a fight and Harut might have done the same thing if the tables were turned so I can definitely understand where the counter argument is coming from. It's just my personal opinion on it. Regardless on where you stand on the matter, I think we can all agree that anyone other than the referee jumping in is unacceptable. |
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Post by K1power on Jun 10, 2017 23:16:22 GMT 1
I don't know about banning team Harut. Wasn't Nick Hemmers pulling off the people who rushed Groenhart? Yes he was, but I feel Glory needs to make an example here even if it means punishment by association. Promotions need to be on zero tolerance, especially in Europe where things seem to go out of hand more often than anywhere else. Don't worry though, there won't be any serious consequences here, there rarely are. Especially when it's popular teams/fighters involved. |
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Post by kbfan on Jun 11, 2017 5:56:23 GMT 1
Personally, i do not agree with with this. I agree with samurai, this is top level kickboxing, there is a title shot on the line. I would've done the same in this situation. Why would i give him the chance to recover? If he feels he needs a timeout, he should take a knee, get an 8 count and get your self checked. Or if you want to avoid the 8 count, just drop your mouth piece, you will only be warned the first time you do it. If you're rocked or disoriented, you may not be able to think as far ahead as to take a knee or spit out your mouth piece. Isn't this basically exactly the same as being rocked? There are no standing 8 counts in Glory, so the outcome is perfectly reasonable in my eyes. Let me ask you just one question and i'm done with this subject: if he wouldn't have turned, but instead kept facing Murthel and be clearly rocked and unable to defend himself, would this be ok in your eyes? For Murthel to continue his offense in this situation? (because for me, these 2 situations are exactly the same; he got rocked, he became disoriented, he got finished) |
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Post by K1power on Jun 11, 2017 6:33:56 GMT 1
Thing is we don't know the exact reason Harut turned his back. What I think is Harut felt he was cut/injured and wanted to get it checked out, but, perhaps due to the impact of the blow, forgot to signal a timeout toward Murthel or the ref.
In this specific situation I feel as a sign of courtesy Murthel shouldn't have attacked Harut when he turned his back, but I do understand it; it's in the heat of the moment, there's a lot of adrenaline involved and there's a lot on the line. I get it. I'm not even fully blaming Murthel for attacking when he did. I put some blame on the ref here as well as I feel he should have picked up on Harut's body language, making him react faster and call for a break the second Harut started turning away and this whole situation might have been avoided. He could have warned Harut for carelessly turning his back and the situation wouldn't have escalated like it did.
So to get to your point: to me Harut turning his back here makes it a different situation, whether he was rocked or not. But for the sake of argument let's say Harut would have kept facing toward Murthel, looking clearly rocked and unable to defend himself. In that case I feel the ref should have just stopped it. You can't blame Murthel for fighting an opponent facing him, but you can blame the ref for not picking up on body language and minimizing unnecessary damage being taken.
This does somewhat relate to one of the deeper lying problems I have with Glory's rules, because I feel they really should have standing 8-counts as it prevents unnecessary damage without running the risk of ending a fight prematurely. I enjoy seeing knockouts as much as any other fightfan, but I do feel fighters tend to take a lot of unnecessary damage - especially blows to the head - because there are no standing 8 counts.
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