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Post by kickboxer (Banned) on Dec 9, 2020 19:09:15 GMT 1
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Post by K1power on Dec 9, 2020 23:05:58 GMT 1
Fun main event.
Kryklia was supposed to fight Aygun last week, but whatever.
This one all depends on which Stoica shows up. The one from last week will get his ass handed to him, the one that fought Silva could win.
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Post by kickboxer (Banned) on Dec 10, 2020 0:31:10 GMT 1
This fight does not make sense. The winner between the champion Kryklia and Aygun was scheduled for 2021. To fight challenger Stoica. Andrei Stoica is a last-minute substitution for Aygun. How will he grow from -95 to -102 in just 2 weeks? And he doesn't have time to prepare, plus the flights to Asia... It's totally convenient for Kryklia. Stoica should have been in Romania to celebrate the holidays now.
Don't get me wrong, it's a fight we all want to see. But in the best conditions. On the paper is a great match.
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Post by kickboxer (Banned) on Dec 10, 2020 3:58:31 GMT 1
Many Romanians comment that Stoica is not ready. And he will take this fight on short notice. In the interview he mentioned that he also has 3 children at home. I have great doubts that he can look like in the match with Silva. It is unprofessional for the promotion to call a fighter who fought in a lower category a few days ago and who is not very prepared for such a match anyway. Besides, Kryklia I think is settled in Asia but Stoica comes from Romania. Lots of flights and days lost only on the road.
It's a complete adventure.
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Post by K1power on Dec 10, 2020 10:32:28 GMT 1
Well that is where it gets more weird. If you look at the card you see that Kryklia vs. Stoica is listed as a LHW championship. Wasn't Kryklia vs. Aygün for the HW championship or at least an eliminator?
Is Kryklia champion in two weightclasses?
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Post by kickboxer (Banned) on Dec 10, 2020 14:14:20 GMT 1
Well that is where it gets more weird. If you look at the card you see that Kryklia vs. Stoica is listed as a LHW championship. Wasn't Kryklia vs. Aygün for the HW championship or at least an eliminator? Is Kryklia champion in two weightclasses? ONE has never had a division called Heavyweight. Their Light Heavyweight (102 kg) actually is the Heavyweight. ONE's LHW = HW. It's stupid not to call it heavyweight.
Kryklia has been fighting for years as a HW, Stoica dropped to 95 kilograms in DFS. That's what I'm trying to explain, that Stoica was scheduled for 2021 and they let him take a fight at 95 in DFS.
Stoica now weighs only 95 kilograms, and Kryklia 102. Andrei also takes the fight on short notice. The encounter will be at 102. Really stupid, they don't protect athletes anymore.
Kryklia vs. Aygun was a heavyweight bout listed in their "light heavyweight". That's the division. 102 kg. The classic heavyweight.
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Post by K1power on Dec 10, 2020 19:24:34 GMT 1
Actually, ONE FC does have a properly defined Heavyweight division:  www.onefc.com/martial-arts/Brandon Vera is their HW MMA champion. They just have a very leniently defined weightrange and probably no kickboxers under contract that can't make 102.1kg The encounter won't be 'at 102', it will be between 93.1 kg - 102.1 kg which both fighters fall under. I wouldn't say it's stupid not to call it heavyweight, because every promotion has its own weight definitions and this is ONE's. I Also wouldn't say Stoica HAS to be 100+kg to be able to compete with Kryklia. I think preparation and mindset are way more important than what the scale says. Against Voronin he looked like he just woke up. The only thing that matters is that his mind is there when the bell rings, not that he somehow gains 7 kgs. |
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Post by kickboxer (Banned) on Dec 11, 2020 10:01:18 GMT 1
They don't even have the heavyweight on kickboxing rules. The Light Heavyweight in ONE is the real Heavyweight. It can be between 93 and 102 but all come at 101-102.
Kryklia had 102 last time, so I doubt he's going to drop. For instance to say like both to agree to be same weight (95 with 95, or 97 with 97 etc).
Maybe, but Roman is a really big threat. Mostly because he's more as a heavyweight than Stoica and also he has great reach. I would never try to outbox a heavyweight who isn't slow. Kryklia is definitely not slow, power is very important in this fight. Kryklia lost to that Iranian because of the opponent's power.
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Post by K1power on Dec 11, 2020 10:32:04 GMT 1
They don't even have the heavyweight on kickboxing rules. Actually, they do. Zimmerman vs. Opacic is listed as a HW bout. ONE's kickboxing section just didn't have fighters of that size under contract yet, until now.. The Light Heavyweight in ONE is the real Heavyweight. It can be between 93 and 102 but all come at 101-102. 'Real' HW is nothing more than your personal definition. Again, every promotion has their own weightclass definitions. ONE does appear to be a pretty lenient one at the higher weightclasses, but it doesn't make it wrong or less legit. The weight fighters come in at is up to them as long as it's below the limit. And again, it doesn't necessarily matter. I think Andy Hug was 96-97kg's when he became K-1 Champion and that tournament had some monsters like 110kg Bernardo in it. Manhoef at 85kg's knocked out 125kg Hunt and those are just a few examples. Kryklia had 102 last time, so I doubt he's going to drop. For instance to say like both to agree to be same weight (95 with 95, or 97 with 97 etc). No, they really don't have to be the same weight. Maybe, but Roman is a really big threat. Mostly because he's more as a heavyweight than Stoica and also he has great reach. I would never try to outbox a heavyweight who isn't slow. Kryklia is definitely not slow, power is very important in this fight. Kryklia lost to that Iranian because of the opponent's power. If Stoica can be a threat to Kryklia at 100+kg, he can be a threat at 95kg. It differs per fight/fighter, but in this case I think I'd rather be at 95kg and have better speed and stamina than give that up for just a slight power increase. |
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Post by kickboxer (Banned) on Dec 11, 2020 16:39:51 GMT 1
They don't even have the heavyweight on kickboxing rules. Actually, they do. Zimmerman vs. Opacic is listed as a HW bout. ONE's kickboxing section just didn't have fighters of that size under contract yet, until now.. The Light Heavyweight in ONE is the real Heavyweight. It can be between 93 and 102 but all come at 101-102. 'Real' HW is nothing more than your personal definition. Again, every promotion has their own weightclass definitions. ONE does appear to be a pretty lenient one at the higher weightclasses, but it doesn't make it wrong or less legit. The weight fighters come in at is up to them as long as it's below the limit. And again, it doesn't necessarily matter. I think Andy Hug was 96-97kg's when he became K-1 Champion and that tournament had some monsters like 110kg Bernardo in it. Manhoef at 85kg's knocked out 125kg Hunt and those are just a few examples. Kryklia had 102 last time, so I doubt he's going to drop. For instance to say like both to agree to be same weight (95 with 95, or 97 with 97 etc). No, they really don't have to be the same weight. Maybe, but Roman is a really big threat. Mostly because he's more as a heavyweight than Stoica and also he has great reach. I would never try to outbox a heavyweight who isn't slow. Kryklia is definitely not slow, power is very important in this fight. Kryklia lost to that Iranian because of the opponent's power. If Stoica can be a threat to Kryklia at 100+kg, he can be a threat at 95kg. It differs per fight/fighter, but in this case I think I'd rather be at 95kg and have better speed and stamina than give that up for just a slight power increase.
I am just saying Stoica fought before as a heavyweight in ONE and fights as a heavyweight now since WLF. Because he was forced. First by WLF and their tournament, secondly by ONE. ONE doesn't have a 95 kilogram division. He needs to feed his children, and there is 95kg or less only in Glory.
They don't really have to be the same weight, but you don't understand what I'm trying to tell you. Stoica was scheduled for Voronin + holiday, and he should have fought the winner between Kryklia and Aygun in 2021. He asked Chatri if he can drop more than 10 kilograms for Voronin, and Chatri said "ok, you don't fight anyway anymore for the next months". Then ONE phoned him and tells him this is his chance, now or never. To go to Asia from Bucharest in just 14 days, not trained for such a match and also less heavier.
Totally unprofessional, and Kryklia gets favouritism. Not that he fights former 95kg-fighters (Khbabez, Stoica, but El Bouni is also there), under his reach, but also gets unprepared opponents. But Kryklia maybe has nothing to do with it, ONE being just amateurish.
Corrupted by money, some fighters who enter the ring may die there. Rule 1 as a promoter is that you protect your roster. Give equal chances before a match. I'm not against fights taken on short notice if they were training in the gym, I'm just saying that this is an understandable situation on the part of ONE. And fights on short notice don't end well anyway. Rarely somebody involved in a championship bout is taking the match on short notice.
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Post by kickboxer (Banned) on Dec 11, 2020 16:49:19 GMT 1
Another mistake is the one Glory make. They are stubborn to find opponent for Groenhart. They are all in holidays.
They should have already had some reserves ready, 1-2 for heavyweights and 1 surely for welterweight. Because we also have the coronavirus problem. Everything is random these days and the fighters are just slaves on the plantation.
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Post by K1power on Dec 11, 2020 19:30:09 GMT 1
No sir, you are factually incorrect. Have you actually taken a look at the link you just shared to help you make your point? If you did, you would have noticed the wildly different definitions every promotion has for their weightclasses:  There is no such thing as 'classic heavyweight' that applies to kickboxing (or even fightsports as a whole), because there has never been a universally defined heavyweight division that applies to all promotions and governing bodies. Not in the past, not currently and probably not ever. Now, I understand what you are trying to get at. In your personal opinion 100+ kg = heavyweight, but that's clearly not how a lot of promotions see it. Oh I totally understand what you're saying, but shit happens. Plans change. Sometimes circumstances are unfavorable. Promotions look out for their interests first, fighters second. It sucks, but it's how it is. Furthermore, as much as I agree with you about protecting the fighters, these fighters are still grown ass men and women who (should) understand the risks involved with their decision making. We shouldn't treat them like children that are helplessly being bullied. We all make our own choices, often against better judgment, but we make them all the same and should be held accountable for them. If you're all about fairness, you should also complain about Stoica getting favoritism by DFS when he clearly lost to Voronin, but still was gifted the decision. Furthermore, he went on social media to defend that bullshit decision. So then you have unprofessional behaviour on two levels: - The promotion - The fighter It actually happens quite regularly, though in some cases the title bout is changed to an interim title bout. It depends on who needs replacement. Again, grown adults making decisions. |
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Post by kickboxer (Banned) on Dec 11, 2020 23:39:24 GMT 1
Yes, +100 or even +95 has become Heavyweight. If you want more, you can also create the Super Heavyweight. Just saying, the promotions should change their approach. Europe and Asia is behind the US. American boxing athletic commissions are highly professional since decades now. We are behind, we don't protect our fighters. In terms of decisions, from most of the fighters you can't even ask for anything. Sometimes not even from their teams. Promotions have to be fair, and also to offer equal opportunities for all. I am not sure he lost, I am not sure who made mistakes, and I scored R1 and R3 for Stoica. Secondly, I am not even a referee. All I can say it was controversial. It was a sum of unprecedented, rare events, or even a poor refereeing. Not even intentionally necessary. From my point of view, Gheorghe referees too many matches and in the case of DFS 9 too many after the other. They had two referees. Normally, such matches should be analysed by a competent commission or even promotion. In a big controversy, not a small scoring error, I would change the result to No Contest. After, I would book for an immediate rematch.
Regarding speeches, freedom. Stoica should be able to communicate anything to fans through the promotion. As if it is a post-fight interview. Yesterday, Badr Hari again behaved badly towards his opponent, giving water to the Moroccan mill again as if Benny is some garbage. I don't even pay attention to the fans from Morocco and other countries like this. Not that many Europeans or civilised Americans aren't noobs. But besides being stupid, they offend others and don't give them a chance.
There is little chance that Adegbuyi will win if Hari from the last match with Rico shows up, but Badr has problems with the blows to the nose and the Romanian hits like a hammer.
PS. I don't support favoritism, and One Championship is still on another level than DFS. At least in terms of money and popularity because the television contracts are better. As a level, however, One Championship is not Glory for instance. I honestly don't know who is dumber, Andurand or Chatri. I guess that Chatri, at least Andurand has teams of experts and doesn't control everything (but they are using him like a cow).
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Post by kickboxer (Banned) on Dec 11, 2020 23:50:13 GMT 1
Here the stake is huge, to become a champion in front of a pretty proven Krylia and highly ranked (maybe too high by the only rankings magazine). The "Light Heavyweight" and Lightweight are the only really strong kickboxing divisions of the promotions. And for Kryklia there is also a big stake, to create some sort of legacy (plus he's also well prepared).
Considering the exposure and the opponent, for Stoica this match is almost like a title match in Glory. Honestly, the opponent could be over a match against Vakhitov, for instance. If we would see a very good version of Andrei, it would be a great match.
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Post by K1power on Dec 14, 2020 13:56:42 GMT 1
Happening this Friday.
Could be a good appetizer before Glory 76.
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