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Post by K1power on Jan 18, 2015 15:59:45 GMT 1
True, even their superfights at heavier weightclasses featured relatively unknown locals.
I guess that's where K-1 Global should come in at some point.
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Post by miscmisc on Jan 18, 2015 16:03:12 GMT 1
BTW, if Sato was to fight Dahlbeck 10 times, he would lose 10 of them. Just a horrible matchup.
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Post by K1power on Jan 18, 2015 16:06:32 GMT 1
I think the main issue is that Sato has been past it for a while now. He was never the most consistent fighter, but on a good day he could beat anyone, and actually did just that. Once these lighter guys pass the age of 30 things generally go downhill quick. Heavier guys are progressively more durable as they go up in weight because they usually rely on their speed a lot less.
It's a shame really. Sato always was one of my favorite fighters at 70kg. Him knocking out Buakaw was just crazy.
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Post by miscmisc on Jan 18, 2015 16:16:57 GMT 1
Yeah, but Dahlbeck has the game to beat Sato's to begin with. Dahlbeck's game might be quite ineffectual against other fighters who are a lot less menacing than Sato, but Peak Sato would struggle all the same against him. He always struggled against anyone of Dahlbeck's style even when he was younger.
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Post by miscmisc on Jan 18, 2015 16:34:57 GMT 1
But anyway, I've got to agree with Masato that Sato should probably retire now. It's not that his game has massively declined. The strength and techniques are still there on a competitive level, but I just don't see the point of continuing his career anymore unless he really really still enjoys it. And that has a lot to do with the current global landscape of his weightclass (and his IDEAL weightclass too for that matter), and the situation of all the kickboxing orgs in and outside Japan. Who does he want to fight where? What's the attractive challenge for him? I just don't see a good story ahead. Athletes usually retire when they lost their story, not exactly when they can't compete anymore.
And of course, there's a worry about his health. Not body-coordination-wise, but he has taken too many punches and kicks in the head in his career.
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Post by K1power on Jan 18, 2015 23:28:37 GMT 1
Quick heads up:
The full event just popped up on mma-tracker.
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Post by themagi on Jan 18, 2015 23:39:38 GMT 1
I'm currently watching it at FightCreature but annoyingly it's un-downloadable. I'm not a member at mmatracker so I hope it pops up somewhere else be it torrent or direct download.
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Post by K1power on Jan 19, 2015 13:11:21 GMT 1
Click here for a torrent that should currently work. |
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Post by Kenshin (Banned) on Jan 21, 2015 7:36:30 GMT 1
You know the event was good when miscmisc comes out of his hideout a.k.a. Rant Land.
I just watched the entire thing and I can clearly say that I feel more positive about the future of K-1 in Japan than in a long time. Not that this means anything. Just a feeling.
Yeah, the event was pretty damn good all arouind, and it felt almost like the old K-1, well, minus a few kilos. You take a great pace, lots of action, the old school trailers including lots of cheesy stuff (Dragoooonbaaalll), the correct doze of lightning, some familiar faces à la Maeda, Masato, and bald ref (no Kakuda though :/ ), a couple of great fighters willing to bang, and et voilà - this is what you call a K-1 event.
Oh, and it even had a little bit of corny judging, for the real old school fans. Nah seriously, I think Masahiro over Baradji after 3 was a little bit too fortunate for the Japanese.
Urabe Hirotaka vs.Javier Hernandez was awesome, and fight of the night, yo. Oh yea, we have a new player in town and his name is 'old Urabe', if that makes any sense. Well, at least he is new for me. He also should consider to go by the nickname of 'Mr. Steel Leg' or something. Ok, now some might say that Koya only went half force against his brother, but I was still wondering... man, he pretty much started to limb after the first kick he received, then took a few hundreds more and was actually doing better as the fight went on. He also showed heart in his fight against Hernandez, making a crazy comeback. Anyway, I definatly want to see more of him.
Sato... well, he acutally looked pretty good in this fight, especially at the beginning. Then I thought Dahlenbeck took over and secured the decision, but the judges wanted to see more. At this point I felt bad for Sato, because his body language was like "oh, really?". At least that's how I saw it, but then he acutally started to take over the extra round, until he got caught... brutal KO coming shortly after. He was leaving the ring while trying not to show his tears... yeah, I felt bad for Sato. You just could think "retirement" somehow, it was like... hanging in the air. Then again, if K-1 Japan a.k.a. the real K-1 would want to make a MAX GP, wouldn't it be awesome to have Sato to be included? Again, he didn't looked too bad for a good portion of the fight. Well, he will know best.
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Post by K1power on Jan 21, 2015 11:05:26 GMT 1
Thus far I've only watched some of the opening fights. Too bad the recording freezes during the Hiramoto Ren fight. I thought it was funny that one of the fights was presented as a heavyweight fight, when both guys weighed in at 84 kg.
They actually announced a K-1 Japan 70kg tournament (more details in the news & rumors thread).
What did you think about the Minoru VS Kaew decision? I listened to Steven's podcast yesterday and he thought it was bad and complained about the ref. Who reffed that fight?
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Post by ecky on Jan 21, 2015 11:18:45 GMT 1
Awful decision, there is no way to score Minoru as the winner for that fight, it should have been a draw and an extra round. That fight also highlighted how much I cant stand that one handed clinch rule, was hoping the new K-1 would lighten up on the clinch rules and go towards more what GLORY has implemented.
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Post by Kenshin (Banned) on Jan 21, 2015 13:02:11 GMT 1
Thus far I've only watched some of the opening fights. Too bad the recording freezes during the Hiramoto Ren fight. I thought it was funny that one of the fights was presented as a heavyweight fight, when both guys weighed in at 84 kg. They actually announced a K-1 Japan 70kg tournament (more details in the news & rumors thread). What did you think about the Minoru VS Kaew decision? I listened to Steven's podcast yesterday and he thought it was bad and complained about the ref. Who reffed that fight? I think I also had a longer freeze during one of the fights, but it acutally continued after a couple of minutes. I'm saying that because I'm assuming that you have the same file, the Fightcreature version from the Tracker. So if you fast forward a couple of minutes it should actually work. I use VLC Player. Funny that you mention the 'heavyweight' fight, because when I watched that I immediately thought "those guys would be like MWs in the UFC". Turns out that I was spot on lol. I can see how the decision in the Kaew/Minoru fight could be highly debated. I thought the first round was either a draw or for Kaew. Second round was all Kaew. The third round actually too, until Minoru dropped Kaew with a left. It was a legit knockdown, but Kaew recovered right away and didn't seemed too hurt. The rest of the round was Kaew's, too. Personally, I gave the first round a draw, the second 10-9 for Kaew, and the third 9-9, meaning that even though the Thai got dropped, I gave him the round. Which is really the first time I've ever done this on my countless unofficial scorecards, as far as I remember.  The thing is, the first could have been easily a draw and we all know that a knockdown usually and in most times automatically means a 10-8. So I wouldn't call this an outrageous robbery after all. More like a weird situation where the scoring system appears to be a bit flawed, and the victory after 3 rounds for the Brazilian seems a little, I dare to say it, undeserved. I do agree with ecky though on the clinch rule. Such unnecessary confusement. They should allow full force and no limitations at all when it comes to the Thai Plum, in my opinion. |
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Post by miscmisc on Jan 21, 2015 20:12:01 GMT 1
You know the event was good when miscmisc comes out of his hideout a.k.a. Rant Land. Well, there's no particular reason for why I posted for this event, actually. It's one of those things, as your girlfriend/wife might call her inexplicable behavior. I could've posted it even if the event sucked. Maybe Minoru made me want to say something, though. Please don't go hard on the guy just because he was somewhat gifted a win by the typically fuzzy K-1 scoring system. Calling that a "robbery" is stretching it a bit, though, if you (general 'you', not Kenshin) are even semi-familiar with how K-1 has always been. That result has no bearing on Kaew's reputation. Muay Thai supremacists in particular should relax a bit. It's only K-1. A fluke superfight loss means even less today than it did back in the heydays of K-1. Anyway, it's nice that they decided to try 70kg, but I don't know. It could be very underwhelming. They will need four Japanese fighters apparently (no money to fill the tournament with good foreign names), and the current Japanese 70kg scene is not exactly stellar, as 65kg and below is where the main action is. Sato is still a top dog, after all, maybe even THE top dog. He's a lock both politically and name-wise, and maybe they will get Yamazaki and the Krush champion too. Many of the good 70kg-ers outside Japan won't be available to K-1. I hope they will pull it off, though. 70kg+ is a totally different beast from the weight classes below it, as that's the lowest weight class where it goes truly global. |
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Post by K1power on Jan 21, 2015 20:41:03 GMT 1
As for the 4 Japanese tournament participants at 70kg: I'm pretty sure we will see Sato and Kido in there. Maybe throw in Hinata and the guy who defeated Andy Souwer last year.
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Post by miscmisc on Jan 21, 2015 20:42:38 GMT 1
Kido is a good choice if they can sort out the political shit.
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