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Post by rictor on Oct 15, 2014 12:02:17 GMT 1
my impression of Mike Kim is that, uh, he may not do the obvious level-headed thing From what I understand he isn't the sole owner anymore, now there are other parties in play, although he's the primary owner. Now that actually sounds like something worth discussing.
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Post by rictor on Oct 15, 2014 12:01:18 GMT 1
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Post by rictor on Oct 14, 2014 15:28:45 GMT 1
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All right. So trying to look at this objectively without any bias.
Buakaw left the ring to protect his own dignity and the honour of muay thai. But what exactly threatened it? This should be clarified cause such statement doesn't really explain anything (and the thing about leaving the ring cause he thought he won the fight I will just treat as a bad joke; not only is it silly in itself but also doesn't make sense, would you leave without being presented with the belt if you were absolutely sure you won the fight?).
Changes to the rules. Can't really blame this K-1 that FEG banned clinch etc. so that's irrelevant. The "seizing his opponent by the leg & kicking down his opponent" also never scored points in K-1 (or am I wrong?) so does that really change anything?
The gambling issue was left with no comment. Guess here we have to wait when and if the police will make any statement.
Rumored contract issues/K-1 not upholding the terms of the deal etc. Buakaw is saying that he will still fight for K-1 until his contract runs in December 2015. If there were really any issues there wouldn't it be logical to present the papers and prove that he was wronged there?
Am I biased or such statements don't really bring anything to the table?
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Post by rictor on Oct 14, 2014 13:51:02 GMT 1
The reasoning here is golden.
Some statements that popped out on Banchamek facebook
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Post by rictor on Oct 14, 2014 12:24:22 GMT 1
Wasn't there a ridiculous story with that Robbie dude that he was apparently a Glory representative in Thailand, but according to them wasn't, but still negotiated some deals on their part with some big wig smart-asses involved in Glory finding it convenient cause if he screwed something they could just say they don't have any ties with him? I don't know the full story (yet), and I'm not a blind Buakaw-nuthugger, but I feel something's shady going on, and not on Buakaws part. Of course that's a big claim that need to be proved by Buakaw's camp, but that is where my source is pointing to, and I'm inclined to believe him. Do you know some more about this Jofel and can share? I agree that I'm probably not neutral on this matter and could be I only ever heard pro-promotion side of things but (will borrow it from another forum, didn't follow Buakaw's life story that closely to be able to accurately list it all) I just find it difficult to believe that all the promoters in the world have something against Buakaw and are trying to screw him one way or the other. After he left Por. Pramuk was there any promotion he fought for that he didn't leave on a sour note burning all the bridges behind him? Already elaborated on the matter I see. Thanks. Other points of view are always welcomed. One thing though. Someone negotiated with Buakaw on behalf of Glory but it fell through with Buakaw choosing the K-1 deal instead. That is correct, right? Now, some of the posters claiming to have sources in Glory pointed to Robbie negotiating that deal. If that is correct (and I can't confirm or deny that myself) something mst have been an issue cause apparently that Glory deal was financially better than K-1's.
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Post by rictor on Oct 13, 2014 20:19:11 GMT 1
Rolo was going through a divorce at the time and pretty much paid nobody, soooo At least nobody can accuse him of favouritism LoL
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Post by rictor on Oct 13, 2014 13:10:28 GMT 1
LoL K-1 changing rules last minute banning techniques that were banned from K-1 rules a couple years ago already. Seems legit as fuck.
And the notion from hardcore Thai Buakaw supporters that K-1 should change their rules to accommodate their national sport for being allowed to held an event in Thailand is pure gold.
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Post by rictor on Oct 12, 2014 21:38:25 GMT 1
Honestly what is best for the sport is that they combine their assets and work together, but that's not going to happen. Instead we'll get more bullshit, more fanboyism and outlandish claims like this. This nails it. It's like, even with completely new people entering this business kickboxing still remains the same as it always was with the same old problems. For something to change you probably would have to purge every single person that was involved with the old system including promoters, managers, agents and fighters. Meanwhile, at the current rate, they will just happily run the sport to the ground in the name of their pride and after the fact blame everything and everyone else but not themselves.
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Post by rictor on Oct 12, 2014 19:48:35 GMT 1
The only thing lacking here is a claim that they had to hastily flee from the arena because they were afraid their lives would be seriously threatened and we would have a kickboxing full course then.
There's one thing I don't really get. I don't remember anyone from this K-1 taking online digs at Glory at every opportunity there is. Now, I'm not exactly saying everything they do is right and they damn well deserve criticism for some of their fuck ups. But the hell, you have Boon anonymously going online and throwing shit, Glory board members almost celebrating every problem K-1 stumbles into, people clearly involved in some way with them discrediting K-1 and even fighters throwing their 5 cents and yet Glory is the good dude, the messiah of kickboxing that deserves all the support and K-1 is all the evil plaguing the sport that deserves to die.
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Post by rictor on Oct 12, 2014 17:17:00 GMT 1
Surefire fallback story right there
K-1 arranged a betting scam, that's why Buakaw left. Proof? Because Buakaw said so. And why we should believe him? Because
I don't know. I grew up believing that one is innocent until proven guilty. Here there's no need for any proof. K-1 cheated yet again. Buakaw said so so it's true, there's no need for anything else. K-1 owns that betting site, K-1 organised it all to screw Buakaw and make money off of him. That's what Buakaw said so how dare you not believe him. The man is a living hero, you must have no shame to doubt him.
Seriously, it's like 1% of those commenting on this shit takes neutral stance until something more is known. All the rest just blindly follows the line of Buakaw's management and deems K-1 guilty already. And it's hard to have any hope of the truth behind this incident ever getting out when the reaction to K-1 filling a lawsuit against Buakaw is as if those involved are telling you with a smile on their face "come and try winning a case against a Thai in a Thai court".
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Post by rictor on Oct 12, 2014 16:28:38 GMT 1
Even more retarded is the notion that K-1 somehow gets millions from supposed gambling scam when all those idiots screaming "cheaters" haven't even heard about this betting site before Buakaw's team made a fuss about it. So from who do those millions come from, some anonymous gamblers that aren't actually fans of kickboxing but liked the odds and coincidentally use TopBetta to place bets?
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Post by rictor on Oct 12, 2014 15:55:00 GMT 1
I'm not sure what's gonna happen, honestly. At this point I feel that it doesn't even matter what happens anymore. The one pulling the strings, whoever that is, got what he wanted, that being discredit K-1 rules fighting ("don't mess with Thai national sport", "don't come back to Thailand" being the consensus). Buakaw is still having his massive support so even if K-1 sues him and wins somehow his team can just sell it as another sob story of mistreatment and being cheated making him an even bigger hero of justice in the process. It's a lost cause.
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Post by rictor on Oct 12, 2014 12:46:34 GMT 1
So much crap I see going on (did you know, now it's established that K-1 owns TopBetta and they set up this whole betting business themselves) that I really don't care anymore. Let those idiots follow their hero and role model all they want, maybe even set up a fund and make donations so that he won't starve to death after all this times he was fucked up by evil promotions trying to profit off of him. Lost all respect and all will to support this circus. The sorry-ass state kickboxing is in won't improve anytime soon as long as such bush-league business is going on.
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Post by rictor on Oct 12, 2014 11:23:32 GMT 1
Pat, the owner of Solana has pretty much said that she refuses to speak out against Buakaw, no matter what he does because they made him into a national hero and she doesn't want to destroy that. Wait, am I getting this right? Buakaw goes to the police to try and get the organisers of this event arrested. The event is organised by K-1 Thailand which essentially is Pat and her company. In other words Buakaw tries to get her arrested. And yet she refuses to speak anything against him and his team because he is a marketing success of hers? So hypothetically, if jailtime was a real possibility here she would still rather just go to jail than say anything? Is that a culture thing cause I seriously don't get it? Or am I wrong on this? From Banchamek facebook
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Post by rictor on Oct 12, 2014 1:47:45 GMT 1
You think Solana Marketing or any other company involved here as sponsors will take an official stance? Cause that would be pretty telling.
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