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Post by Shadess on May 13, 2021 17:30:04 GMT 1
Similar issues that Kyshenko said he had with Glory back in the early years.
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Post by K1power on May 13, 2021 19:27:03 GMT 1
Interesting, though I can't say very surprising information. There's a reason some very big names never bothered trying to get into Glory and did fine elsewhere.
I think that generally speaking Asian promotions - while usually focused on their respective domestic markets - are more professionally organized than European promotions.
They all have their pro's and cons of course, but it's unfortunate that a big promotion like Glory with a global target audience comes across like it's being run by a bunch of amateurs.
Again, not very surprising as we now have almost a (documented) decade's worth of baffling decisions.
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Post by samurai1 on May 15, 2021 20:16:15 GMT 1
Hari just announced on instagram that he started a new chapter with saidel badaoui AGAIN. LOL
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Post by K1power on May 15, 2021 21:11:35 GMT 1
So El Badaoui acquired both Mahieddine and Badr in the course of a week.
That could actually work out nicely for both.
I wonder why Badr left Mike this time; is it money, is he unhappy with his latest results or is it something else entirely?
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Post by Fox on May 15, 2021 23:06:51 GMT 1
You are certainly not very aware of the Romanian scene now and 50% of the Paraschiv losses are actually robberies. The Iranian German refused to fight and the referee was corrupt. Aside from big names like Ghita, Adegbuyi etc. nobody who isn't Romanian is 'aware' of the Romanian scene, because the fighters you're talking about don't really have meaningful victories. They might be talented, but they need to prove themselves, before any big promotion will show interest. That or be part of a Gym with political pull. Also, every time a Romanian loses by decision you call 'robbery' and 'corruption'. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but when someone has the same excuses every time it becomes hard to take them seriously. Whenever a Romanian wins a decision in Romania that's actually shady you're defending the decision (Stoica/Vorinin for example). Are you not seeing the pattern here? BASED ON WHAT ARE YOU PUSHING GASHI FOR BEZTATI? 1. No need for all caps. 2. I'm not 'pushing' it at all. I just don't have a problem with the matchup and see what Glory is going for here. And I never said Glory shouldn't give lesser known fighters a chance, just not hire someone and put them in a title fight straight away. Unless it's a huge name or much anticipated matchup or something. But I believe that for now Glory's main focus will be the LHW & HW divisions and the rest will kind of serve as 'card filler'. Sure they'll have a title fight here and there (Van Soest/Pereira), but I'm not getting the idea they're truly interested in building any divisions aside from the heavier guys right now. And they were just on the edge of bankruptcy, I get that they're trying to streamline some things. I have a lot of issues with Glory, but I do understand some of their decisions right now. Tuinov gave some interview and his contract just ran out at the end of the year and he wasn't too happy with Glory. Tuinov probably didn't join Glory at the best of times and wasn't really used the best way possible. I can see him randomly appearing in some Tatneft or KOK event, before ending up at One or something. You are a patient man lol |
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Post by kickboxer (Banned) on May 16, 2021 1:43:16 GMT 1
Aside from big names like Ghita, Adegbuyi etc. nobody who isn't Romanian is 'aware' of the Romanian scene, because the fighters you're talking about don't really have meaningful victories. They might be talented, but they need to prove themselves, before any big promotion will show interest. That or be part of a Gym with political pull. K1power, I think you treat Romania with another measure. For more than 10 years Romania has been showing that it is clearly the second circuit in Europe as talent. And the first in terms of TV. Last night, the WLF event was clearly below any Golden Fighter show in Romania (ie the 4th promotion as important). In fact, both favourites from main events, namely Chico Kwasi and Bogdan Shumarov, have made their name in Romania. Shumarov fought a Dutch bum, and Chico fought a very overrated fighter of Melvin who will probably again sign outside (Glory/ONE, but being shit, even under our contenders). |
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Post by kickboxer (Banned) on May 16, 2021 2:08:33 GMT 1
Can you tell me who Beztati fought with before Glory? I tell you: NO ONE.  Sorin Caliniuc fought with Milea, Salvador, Dzhaniev, Bozan and Ostrovanu.  From his CV, at least Bozan, if not also Ostrovanu, looks like Glory without discussion. Bozan is a great, technical and slick fighter. Ostrovanu has grown a lot, in 2 years in his 30s if he has fixed his boxing he can become really good. He is tall, owns power and great knees. Not the same fighter met by Jaraya many years ago in Enfusion. Ostrovanu indeead cleaned up the British circuit, but since then he has grown and Jaraya has stagnating imo. The level is very high in Romania. If you have over 30 Dutch in Glory, we deserve to have about 7-8 or even 10. And then we'll see where we stand. I say we'll rise up. With contracts of at least 4 fights. And we will see if we rise up or not, if we are allowed to rise up! That's what you're all afraid of, including Remon. In Superkombat we beat several Dutchmen like horse thieves. But we had also promoted Dutchmen! WE ARE A FRIENDLY NATION.That's all I can say, what's coming from behind is better than the Superkombat times. And the coaches have grown a lot and some come from boxing. Romania hasn't decreased, it keeps increasing and will be visible in some years (you will all remember). If they still want to be fighters. |
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Post by kickboxer (Banned) on May 16, 2021 2:26:24 GMT 1
The other day you said that Wrzozek can be material Glory if they want to. If he has individual quality. How to have individual quality coming from Poland? If only you had said that before his Glory matches. Kasperski was solid though but went on fighting in other leagues especially Romania. A Romanian does not necessarily have to confirm in the end against a foreigner either. So the Pole or Gashi can. Or the worst ONE fighters like Clancy and others... Shitty roster or opponency in ONE, even worse, terrible, horror, horrible! For Romania it's another measure. Wake up, there are divisions in Romania like 70 now, where we have over 10 fighters with the potential of the biggest leagues! Now that we lack our Superkombat. But Colosseum Tournament, Dynamite Fighting Show and maybe also others, are still top leagues in Europe. I give you 10 names for 70 kilograms that have similar values: Paraschiv, Caliniuc, Orza, Bozan, Ostrovanu, Petrisor, Pattvean, Craciunica, Trif and more. The most are still fighting there. Impressive fighters have appeared for 16 years old, such as Mario Boboc and especially Ionut Busuioc, or Ciprian Sofian at 18 years old. When Ghita fought, the gyms were not full. The children came later, new gyms opened. There are gyms in absolutely all cities. And more. On the planet Romania is in the top 5 countries in kickboxing and we have fewer athletes than Ireland and Australia! Who did Belgaroui defeat before Glory? Ciobanu at that point was close to retirement, went on losing 10 fights. Not to mention Belgaroui was promoted by 2 Romanian promotions.
How is Cozmanca under him? Cozmanca demolishes normally Topai. Also Balli is in Glory and barely beat Munteanu, Cozmanca TKOed him.
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Post by kickboxer (Banned) on May 16, 2021 2:43:04 GMT 1
Donovan Wisse before GloryRodrigo was also KOed by Daniel Pattvean.  I want a fight Lambagiu VS Overmeer or Lambagiu VS Bayrak, please make it happen Glory! Stefanovski IS also Glory material, he's better than Overmeer and possibly Bayrak. Dragan is undefeated in Romania, very technical welterweight besides the loss to Rambo. Badoi was solid as well at some point, being Tatneft champion. 
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Post by kickboxer (Banned) on May 16, 2021 2:48:49 GMT 1
I don't think anymore a Romanian fighter should fight many big foreign names before joining Glory. We are not some Clancys!
Individually indeed Wisse, Belgaroui and Rigters are nice fighters. But they were figthing bums in Enfusion. In fact Enfusion has been never at the Superkombat level. Enfusion is like our current promotions, just that our 4 1st tier promotions cover whole Romania, and Enfusion not really all the Dutch talent. I mean, how can you force Enfusion and the Romanian promotions be like ONE/Glory?! This is hilarous, you can't even force them to bring the best available opponent on the market. First of all, it would be expensive if it's a mainstay for a Russian promotion or something like that, secondly they don't even look to do that. To satisfy fans. There are good fighters in Romania as well, not just in Holland. On the other hand, for some of our divisions and even for some of the Dutch divisions you need foreign opponents...
Just because you don't watch anymore Superkombat on Eurosport, doesn't mean they are not proven!
It's such a great and long generation that at some point they will be better than Ghita/Adegbuyi. For instance Stefan Orza and potentially also this Mario Boboc. Orza is better than both even Caliniuc and Paraschiv in terms of talent.
But don't worry, in 20-30 years from now you will think differently. Because I actually know what it's about. But when we will lead we will be fairer than others. Just.
@ K1Power
Usually to corruption or incompetence you have to keep your eyes open and listen to the public. But I think that if I show you that list, you will see that I also have my reasons to believe that the Romanians were stolen much more than we possibly stole. This is a sensitive subject, and even if the Nordics can be also corrupt or incompetent, I just gave my opinion on that fight. You can be 100% right about them. About this one I don't know who is right, there is a rematch. Some others don't even offer rematches to settle controversies. Remember that in the days of Superkombat I approved that in the beginning many decisions were wrong.
There are matches involving Romanian fighters where I admit mistakes. In their favour. Unfortunately you don't perceive me exactly how I am. It's like one of those "hard" football actions. Where there is also video controversy. Maybe I didn't see the truth, or you were at the extreme. But that doesn't mean you're right, I may be badly wrong though. I don't know what to say. I told my opinion simply because I felt some others are too harsh. I did not do it on purpose to defend.
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Post by K1power on May 16, 2021 13:09:00 GMT 1
K1power, I think you treat Romania with another measure. I think you treat Romania with another measure. Your bias undeniably warps your views and it bleeds into long-winded arguments that rarely hold up under scrutiny. For more than 10 years Romania has been showing that it is clearly the second circuit in Europe as talent. And the first in terms of TV. Obviously I disagree. When SuperKombat was still around there would have been some wiggle room to argue Romania being the second biggest European player in the kickboxing landscape, but right now? Far from it. Romania is still above average in terms of having multiple promotions that kickboxing fans know about, so there's definitely some brand awareness. They also have a decent talent pool, but when's the last time Romania has produced a champion in a major promotion? The only one I can think off is Ghita in It's Showtime and that was a decade ago. Right now, a lot of their big names are (semi-)retired and aside from some major names like Adegbuyi and the Stoica's there isn't really anyone that screams 'champion material' to me. But who knows? They might prove me wrong in the future. In fact, both favourites from main events, namely Chico Kwasi and Bogdan Shumarov, have made their name in Romania. Shumarov fought a Dutch bum, and Chico fought a very overrated fighter of Melvin who will probably again sign outside (Glory/ONE, but being shit, even under our contenders). You always complain about Romania getting no respect, but you have to be one of the most disrespectful posters on this forum. That's what you're all afraid of, including Remon. Why would anyone be afraid of a Romanian fighter becoming a champion? If that was true Ghita, Adegbuyi and Stoica wouldn't have gotten multiple title shots in major promotions outside of Romania. Why would they even sign as many Romanian fighters as they have? The reality is that the vast majority of Romanian fighters aren't even a blip on the radar in most weightclasses outside of HW. Your statement is utter bullshit and makes no sense on any level. Unless you're living in a fantasy, that is. And yeah, Dutch fighters have the best chance of getting into Glory, because Glory is mostly a Dutch promotion. Japanese fighters have the best chance of getting into K-1/Krush/Rise. Chinese fighters have the best chance of getting into KunLun/WuLinFeng. Italian fighters have the best chance of getting into Oktagon and so on. Despite what Glory may claim about being international, at this point, first and foremost, they are a Dutch promotion. For a non-Dutch fighter to get in he/she will have to check one or more of the following boxes: - Make a splash by taking out a big name. - Make the right contacts (i.e. join a Dutch gym that has good standing in Glory). - Get lucky. That's how Catinas got in. He joined the right gym. Because based on his last 5 years of nothing Glory shouldn't have signed him.If anything this is an example of a Romanian fighter getting signed who doesn't belong in Glory at this point of his career. Or the worst ONE fighters like Clancy and others... Shitty roster or opponency in ONE, even worse, terrible, horror, horrible! For Romania it's another measure. Again with the disrespect and fighter bashing. With the way you're talking about others you're in no position to demand respect from anyone for anything. How do you not see that you're being a huge hypocrite? Just because you don't watch anymore Superkombat on Eurosport, doesn't mean they are not proven! Ehh, SuperKombat barely exists anymore. The closest things we have in 2021 are DFS and Colosseum and the majority of the fighters there definitely aren't proven. In fact, if it wasn't for you artificially keeping the threads active by posting irrelevant updates every few days, barely anybody would pay attention to them at all. Now, maybe DFS and Colosseum will step up their game. Maybe SuperKombat makes a comeback in the future. Maybe some of the fighters you're hyping will make a splash. Maybe Adegbuyi will finally be able to beat Rico. But that's a lot of maybe's. |
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Post by Shadess on May 17, 2021 19:00:43 GMT 1
Positively surprised they are adding more fights on the card. Nice to see Mahieddine back also.
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Post by K1power on May 17, 2021 19:21:13 GMT 1
I really like this matchup and I'm happy both fighters are getting a chance here.
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Post by kickboxer (Banned) on May 17, 2021 20:10:53 GMT 1
31 year old Mahiedinne beat Plazibat in December, so that's a good win for him. His career in the last years has been improving massively. A kind of Blachowicz.  ) Raul after a long hiatus straight to an average Glory heavyweight (opponent). I thought he would fight Mozny or somebody. I guess the GFC match on 24th June could be off. Catinas fights a much better opponent than Badr, lol.  |
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Post by kickboxer (Banned) on May 18, 2021 9:49:41 GMT 1
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