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Post by kickboxer (Banned) on Jan 28, 2021 14:48:26 GMT 1
The truth is somewhere in the middle, you live with the K-1 era but kickboxing has changed a lot since then. Also in terms of quality, pay attention! And Badr Hari is an overrated kickboxer, unlike Ghita he had time to fight in K-1.
I don't deny that the Netherlands has helped Romanians. But at the level of their arrival in Holland, they were already great talents with major wins (Zhuravlev, Lascenko, Londt and Gerges I, and also Bouzidi, Wallis, Tony, Kemayo and Bregy respectively).
If they would have been born in Holland, they would have been THE greatest champions. Adegbuyi has nothing under Aerts, in fact he is more talented. Superpro made him lose speed for your lying champion. Adegbuyi would have been at Hoost's level. Ghita has nothing under Aerts, of course compared to Adegbuyi his technical level is more limited, but he has some hooks that you hardly see in anyone in the history of the sport. He looks more limited, but like Aerts, he's very good at what he does. However, comparing him to Aerts, he is not a shepherd. Ghita can compete technically with Rico, and has the most devastating kicks of all-time.
When you're new, you try to steal from the bests. But things are still changing, there are at least dozens of new coaches in Romania today. The level will improve substantially taking into account that the new generation is smarter and there are also very good coaches on boxing, who even come from boxing.
And the Dutch boxing school is below average. I mean amateur boxing. That is why today we no longer have only champions from Holland, but also from the former Soviet Union. AIBA sucks now, but Romania all-time in Europe's boxing ranks 3rd in terms of total medals. Right after Russia and Germany. More than double the medals won by England.
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Post by kickboxer (Banned) on Jan 28, 2021 15:17:11 GMT 1
I feel that the Dutch have always put obstacles in the way of the Romanians, that's the problem. Not that people hate us, that wouldn't be the problem. You said: Glory is a Dutch promotion.
And Badr beats Benny 9 out of 10 times. Even after Adegbuyi demolished him, showing better strenght, defence and power.
You turned the promotion into a Dutch one! Hemmers marginalized the Romanians, because of them some huge talents do not enjoy today the notoriety they should have had.
The Dutch still make fun of many of the other nations in Glory.
The Dutch also invented K-1 doping.
You stole Ghita in It's Showtime and Glory, with Gerges, Deniz, Verhoeven, Schilt and Saki! The Dutch also sent messages with death threats to Irimia, when Superkombat took control of K-1 instead of the Dutch.
How to make the Romanians Glory champions when they were marginalized by Glory and didn't even fight there? We have dozens of names that deserved to be in Glory. If you have had 40-50, we also have 20.
Pereira lost several fights in Glory until he became so good, Wilnis lost many fights in Glory and became champion. It turned out that Jason Wilnis and Harut Grigorian are not great champions (also they robbed Adesanya like hell against Wilnis, Adesanya might have won 4 rounds out of 5, but guess what: Adesanya now is a champion in the UFC and Wilnis lost about 6 fights including to some Slovak). Harut lost to Jamies Bates, Bates was knocked out by Ciprian Schiopu who was nothing but Andrei Stoica's training partner. How many chances did Adamchuk not receive? Doumbe in Glory lost the first match, and not at somebody like Ilunga.
Considering that we don't even come from Holland, we had to get other chances. There were big names from Romania that deserved a 4-5 fight contract. At least equal chances.
Glory is a closed circuit, Irimia is right. You turned the promotion into a Dutch one! Catinas missed his career because of no invitation from Glory.
PS. If you feel Badr gave Benny "a ton of trouble", then I can also say BADR RAPED YOUR PAPER CHAMPION. Why paper? Because he was exposed and even lucky in many fights, and especially because they robbed Ghita and treated Ghita like trash. Plus probably in Superpro together with somebody from Glory matchmaking had a plan "for Adegbuyi" (against him).
Go to Youtube and see the comments in Ghita v Verhoeven!
I am a patriot, but a fair one. I would never treat others unfairly. And I recognise the superiority, the work of any man. The problem is that I expect you to admit that terrible abuses have been committed in the sport and that there is also garbage in Holland that you hide. I only want equal chances for the Romanians and the Dutch to work together.
I can say like you, Badr didn't win a K-1 trophy. At least the "Romanians" did not have the chance to compete more in K-1 (because it fell). But compared to It's Showtime and Glory, the K-1 system was more just. There was less corruption. And honestly, It's Showtime was a better promotion than Glory.
Glory-Hemmers Sports International Pte Ltd., the "Dutch" promotion... You said it, it's Dutch! With French money, registered in Singapore. And who knows how many nationalities on board, Rudmann and others are certainly from America or the United Kingdom.
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Post by kickboxer (Banned) on Jan 28, 2021 15:26:23 GMT 1
You hardly find sparring in Romania, another huge problem. Others Europeans go to Belarus more recently, to Chinuk.
In addition, in It's Showtime and Glory, the Dutch have always had the advantage of their own field. Fighting at home gives you much more motivation.
As long as the Romanian fighters will be given equal chances, even if we drop in kickbox and certainly Holland will still be the first, then I will have no reason to defend them anymore. I'm just getting justice, I defend the justice. That's all. And I expose things that can harm the sport.
I should honestly fight also for the others, not only for the Romanians.
PS. Not to be misunderstood, it is not about Holland but about a certain group of people in kickboxing. Patriotism cannot be born of stupidity. Corruption was also born of their stupidity. I want to believe that the whole of Europe will become more and more civilised.
You can confuse me if you want with the nationalist fans of Morocco (most of them also lack any logic), but I don't do in society what some people did through Glory.
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Post by K1power on Jan 28, 2021 16:49:58 GMT 1
Dude, you're not even responding to anything I wrote. You're just regurgitating your same old routine of making up facts. The truth is somewhere in the middle, you live with the K-1 era but kickboxing has changed a lot since then. Also in terms of quality, pay attention! Nope, this isn't some 'we're both kinda right' type of situation. If anyone isn't paying attention it's you. Sure, things have changed and the sport has evolved in some ways; better weightclass representation, more fighters getting a chance, quality of women's fights improving a lot in a short time due to them now having more chances etc. However, if there is one thing that most fightfans will agree upon it's that the current heavyweight pool is kind of weak, especially compared to the K-1 days. It has nothing to do with living in the past. The fact that an over the hill Badr who barely fights can still compete with the current top guys is all the proof you need that heavyweight kickboxing really hasn't evolved over the past decade. And Badr Hari is an overrated kickboxer (Banned), unlike Ghita he had time to fight in K-1. How is Badr overrated, but not Ghita? You just come up some random statement without anything to back it up. Ghita had plenty of fights in K-1. He just fell short against some of their top guys. Not saying Ghita did badly, in fact he did very well. His accomplishments just aren't anywhere close to Badr. To deny that is absolute insanity. I don't deny that the Netherlands has helped Romanians. But at the level of their arrival in Holland, they were already great talents with major wins (Zhuravlev, Lascenko, Londt and Gerges I, and also Bouzidi, Wallis, Tony, Kemayo and Bregy respectively). If they would have been born in Holland, they would have been THE greatest champions. 1: If they would have been born in Holland, would they still have been Romanian? 2: We don't know what would have become of them if they had been born here. It would have been a completely different story. Stop fantasizing. Adegbuyi has nothing under Aerts, in fact he is more talented. Superpro made him lose speed for your lying champion. Adegbuyi would have been at Hoost's level. Ghita has nothing under Aerts, of course compared to Adegbuyi his technical level is more limited, but he has some hooks that you hardly see in anyone in the history of the sport. He looks more limited, but like Aerts, he's very good at what he does. However, comparing him to Aerts, he is not a shepherd. Ghita can compete technically with Rico, and has the most devastating kicks of all-time. Rico was barely able to get past a 43 year old Aerts. That same Rico defeated prime Benny and Ghita. Twice! Aerts in his prime > every HW kickboxer who is active today. Claiming Benny and Ghita are above him is absolute insanity. I'm a fan of Benny and used to be a fan of Ghita, but they don't come close to Aerts. Not in the past, not now, not ever. When you're new, you try to steal. But things are still changing, there are at least dozens of new coaches in Romania today. The level will improve substantially taking into account that the new generation is smarter and there are also very good coaches on boxing, who even come from boxing. And the Dutch boxing school is below average. I mean amateur boxing. That is why today we no longer have only champions from Holland, but also from the former Soviet Union. AIBA sucks now, but Romania all-time in Europe's boxing ranks 3rd in terms of total medals. Right after Russia and Germany. More than double the medals won by England. Who gives a fuck? We're talking about kickboxing right now. |
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Post by K1power on Jan 28, 2021 16:51:27 GMT 1
I feel that the Dutch have always put obstacles in the way of the Romanians, that's the problem. Not that people hate us, that wouldn't be the problem. You said: Glory is a Dutch promotion.That's not really what I said. I said 'Glory isn't TRULY an international promotion. It's a Dutch/French promotion with a handful of North American promo employees.' But sure, I never denied the strong Dutch influence in Glory. In fact, I really don't like it and have been very vocal about it since the beginning. Badr beats Benny 9 out of 10 times. Even after Adegbuyi demolished him, showing better strenght, defence and power What Benny showed was that he had more heart, because he got up after getting knocked down. He didn't show any more strength/defense/power. That's just something you keep saying. You turned the promotion into a Dutch one! Hemmers marginalized the Romanians, because of them some huge talents do not enjoy today the notoriety they should have had. The Dutch still make fun of many of the other nations in Glory. Nobody turned it into a Dutch promotion. Glory has always been a Dutch promotion. Glory definitely pushed some fighters harder then others and there was - and still is - heavy favoritism. However, I don't agree at all with the 'Romanian marginalization' as you put it. Romanian fighters got and still get plenty of chances in It's Showtime, Glory, One, Enfusion, Old K-1, New K-1 etc. Hell, Glory just signed Catinas who hasn't fought in five years. If anything, that's an example of a Romanian fighter getting an undeserved chance. I'm kind of excited to see him fight again, but he wasted a lot of years and my expectations of him are quite low. The Dutch also invented K-1 doping. You stole Ghita in It's Showtime and Glory, with Gerges, Deniz, Verhoeven, Schilt and Saki! The Dutch also sent messages with death threats to Irimia, when Superkombat took control of K-1 instead of the Dutch. You keep making all these accusations (some of which may be true), but why do you keep saying 'You'? As if I'm responsible/supportive/representative of any of it, because I live in the Netherlands? How to make the Romanians Glory champions when they were marginalized by Glory and didn't even fight there? We have dozens of names that deserved to be in Glory. If you have had 40-50, we also have 20. Pereira lost several fights in Glory until he became so good, Wilnis lost many fights in Glory and became champion. It turned out that Jason Wilnis and Harut Grigorian are not great champions (also they robbed Adesanya like hell against Wilnis, Adesanya might have won 4 rounds out of 5, but guess what: Adesanya now is a champion in the UFC and Wilnis lost about 6 fights including to some Slovak). Harut lost to Jamies Bates, Bates was knocked out by Ciprian Schiopu who was nothing but Andrei Stoica's training partner. How many chances did Adamchuk not receive? Doumbe in Glory lost the first match, and not at somebody like Ilunga. Considering that we don't even come from Holland, we had to get other chances. There were big names from Romania that deserved a 4-5 fight contract. At least equal chances. Again, despite some fighters being (unfairly) promoted, Romanians got plenty of chances in plently of promotions (Glory and outside of Glory). They just never won any meaningful belts. Though to be fair Bogdan Stoica won the Enfusion LHW belt and Ghita at one point held the It's Showtime belt. So at least there is something. Glory is a closed circuit, Irimia is right. You turned the promotion into a Dutch one! Catinas missed his career because of no invitation from Glory. To a certain degree I sort of agree with Irimia, but the same thing can be said of any promotion. And Catinas missing his career, because he wasn't in Glory is bullshit. Glory isn't the only promotion that's around. Catinas had personal issues and for a while didn't give a shit about fighting. Now he's back with a chance in Glory that - frankly - he didn't deserve. Still, I'm happy for him and hope he doesn't mess it up. PS. If you feel Badr gave Benny "a ton of trouble", then I can also say BADR RAPED YOUR PAPER CHAMPION. Why paper? Because he was exposed and even lucky in many fights, and especially because they robbed Ghita and treated Ghita like trash. Plus probably in Superpro together with somebody from Glory matchmaking had a plan "for Adegbuyi" (against him).Because Badr did give Benny a ton of trouble. Unless you think being knocked down isn't being in trouble. You keep saying Ghita was robbed and treated like trash, but the reality is that Ghita didn't have the mentality of a champion. He lost a decision he didn't agree with and pretty much retired from the sport. Now he's turned into a bitter man who can only bitch about others on social media. Go to Youtube and see the comments in Ghita v Verhoeven! Yeah, because comment sections on the internet are always full of brilliance lol. I am a patriot, but a fair one. I would never treat others unfairly. And I recognise the superiority, the work of any man. The problem is that I expect you to admit that terrible abuses have been committed in the sport and that there is also garbage in Holland that you hide. I only want equal chances for the Romanians and the Dutch to work together. Who's hiding anything? If you actually pay any attention to this forum I've always been very vocal about my distaste for Glory's politics. And not just Glory, pretty much every promotion. Even K-1, both the old and new K-1. In fact, while were on the topic corruption, abuse and 'hiding' stuff; you're sure always quick to defend Romanian promotions even though they're just as corrupt as any other promotion. I've seen so many bullshit decisions in Romania, with the latest example being Stoica's 'victory' over Voronin. The outcry over that result was so bad that Voronin is getting a rematch this year. So, if you're accusing any promotion/country of unfairness, please don't turn a blind eye to Romania. I can say like you, Badr didn't win a K-1 trophy. And you're right. Badr never won the K-1 WGP, which is one of the main reasons for him not being in my top 10. However, Badr did win the K-1 -100kg belt. It's definitely not as prestigious as the WGP belt, but only a few fighters have held it with Badr being one of them. At least the "Romanians" did not have the chance to compete more in K-1 (because it fell). But compared to It's Showtime and Glory, the K-1 system was more just. There was less corruption. And honestly, It's Showtime was a better promotion than Glory. Not sure I'd rate It's Showtime above Glory. I have my issues with both promotions, but I'd still place Glory above It's Showtime. To me, Enfusion feels more like It's Showtime, even if it's a very watered down version. Glory-Hemmers Sports International Pte Ltd., the "Dutch" promotion... You said it, it's Dutch! With French money, registered in Singapore. And who knows how many nationalities on board, Rudmann and others are certainly from America or the United Kingdom. Sure. Again, nobody here denies or 'hides' any of that. |
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Post by K1power on Jan 28, 2021 16:51:57 GMT 1
You hardly find sparring in Romania, another huge problem. Others Europeans go to Belarus more recently, to Chinuk.In addition, in It's Showtime and Glory, the Dutch have always had the advantage of their own field. Fighting at home gives you much more motivation. I agree with you about sparring partners; that's a big plus about training in Holland. As far a fighting at home goes. The Dutch did very well in K-1 in Japan. At the end of the day a fighter should be able to perform anywhere. As long as the Romanian fighters will be given equal chances, even if we drop in kickbox and certainly Holland will still be the first, then I will have no reason to defend them anymore. I'm just getting justice, I defend the justice. That's all. And I expose things that can harm the sport. I should honestly fight also for the others, not only for the Romanians. PS. Not to be misunderstood, it is not about Holland but about a certain group of people in kickboxing. Patriotism cannot be born of stupidity. Corruption was also born of their stupidity. I want to believe that the whole of Europe will become more and more civilised.You can confuse me if you want with the nationalist fans of Morocco (most of them also lack any logic), but I don't do in society what some people did through Glory. If anything, patriotism can definitely be born of stupidity. That said; nobody is making fun of Romania. At least not here. People tend to make fun of you though. Not because you're from Romania, but because your arguments usually don't make sense and make you look like a crazy fanboy. Again, it's fine to support fighters from your country/hometown, but stop being blinded by fanatism. |
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Post by samurai1 on Jan 28, 2021 18:55:11 GMT 1
Rico was barely able to get past a 43 year old Aerts. That same Rico defeated prime Benny and Ghita. Twice! Aerts in his prime > every HW kickboxer who is active today. Claiming Benny and Ghita are above him is absolute insanity.
Totally agree. I have watched the Rico vs Aerts Fight multiple times and every time I come to the same conclusion, Aerts won that fight. It was close, but aerts won 2-1 at rounds. About Rico's fights against Ghita, they were competitive and the first fight pretty close but Rico won both of them. The fact that in the first fight Rico had 3 hard rounds against Saki while Ghita had 90 seconds against anderson silva and yet Rico managed to win the decision in the final against Ghita speaks volume.
In the second fight Rico won very clearly, I have no idea how anyone can debate the winner of that fight.
About the k-1 vs today.... Well mma stole all the talent... kids would rather go train mma than kickboxing sadly. Back in k-1 days mma was niche. The fact that we are in the internet era did not help either. The only better thing today in kickboxing is that there is better weightclass representation.
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Post by K1power on Jan 28, 2021 20:25:54 GMT 1
I think during the K-1 era PRIDE was pretty big for a while and during that time nobody watched the UFC.
UFC only got big again after PRIDE went under and the UFC scooped up most of what was left, making them the biggest player in MMA by default.
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Post by kickboxer (Banned) on Jan 29, 2021 4:45:00 GMT 1
It doesn't matter, I don't want to argue. I'm sorry if I jumped the horse a little but you were a little harsh saying that Badr wins 9 out of 10 with Benny (happening after their match). And then I remembered that Glory is supposed to be a Dutch promotion. Osu!
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Post by kickboxer (Banned) on Jan 29, 2021 4:55:51 GMT 1
Colosseum Tournament 22 has come out. Or at least the main card. I thought it was a really solid event.
Low weight classes, -60 kg up to -75 kg. Just pick the 1080p...  4 out of 5 upsets!
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Post by K1power on Jan 30, 2021 12:43:10 GMT 1
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Post by K1power on Jan 30, 2021 12:57:19 GMT 1
Remy previews G77 with:
Peter Aerts
Nicky Romero (DJ)
Robin Van Persie (Footballer)
Najib Amhali (comedian)
Denise Kielholtz (Fighter)
Joey Bravo (influencer)
Patrick Kluivert (footballer)
Harrie Snijders
YousToub
Regi Blinker
Yousri Belgaroui
Tiffany van Soest
Semmy schilt
Benny Adegbuyi
Ernesto Hoost
Ruud Gullit
Germaine de Randamie
Melvin Manhoef
Some big names in there. Lots of cross pollination. Pretty good idea, aside from some technical issues during some of the calls.
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Post by K1power on Jan 30, 2021 14:27:52 GMT 1
Camaro Kev responded to my critique of his statement about the American market he made in his previous podcast.
Now that I know that he occasionally visits; I appreciate your clarification and it adds a lot of nuance to a statement that can easily be interpreted differently (as I did) without proper context. I actually agree with the notion that having a presence in the US can be beneficial to the sport.
And as far as having a presence in the US goes, I actually like what K-1 did in the mid 2000s. They used to do one or two Vegas shows each year. It contained some local talent and some bigger international names and you'd end up with decent events overall. Of course the general notion is that from K-1 leadership's perspective having events in Las Vegas was more of a prestige or status thing, but it still introduced American audiences to kickboxing and winning the tournament there would actually place a fighter in the Final 16 so there was some connective tissue there.
Also, despite its niche status these events would still have a Bruce Willis, a Dr.Dre and other similarly big stars randomly sitting in the audience every time. To a much younger me seeing that on EuroSport used to be such a big validation of the sport.
But before Glory or any other promotion goes off to burn more money in an attempt to create a footprint in the North American market I suggest they try to keep in the black for the immediate future. Not that anyone needs my advice.
Anyway cheers and keep up the good work!
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Post by kickboxer (Banned) on Jan 30, 2021 15:19:37 GMT 1
Rico Verhoeven still looks better than any other UFC champ.
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Post by Shadess on Jan 30, 2021 17:13:08 GMT 1
As for probably more realistically and with Glory yeah some type of show focusing on a few gyms at a time. Stick a couple of their fighters on an upcoming card and follow them in preparation for that, go out and do shit with them. Maybe try and figure out some situations like, what would've been before at least, Bonjasky training Ilunga for example. Presentable legend of the sport who actually doesn't mind being in front of the camera, had a decent fighter and probably would've had some fighters to stick on an undercard too. Or just get Bonjasky if he was up to being a host and he could go around in the gyms, see the fighters, do stuff with them and talk with the coaches. If sticking with the current people I guess Todd could go around doing shit too and partnering him up for episodes with someone like Doumbe or Murthel wouldn't be bad. Always thought Remy could/should do (more) things in the sport. He's can be quite good on camera, knowledgeable, presentable and all that. Not watched that Remy vid yet, but think there could definitely be something there if they want to. |
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