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Post by h on Aug 22, 2016 19:12:32 GMT 1
dat racism tho. fucking corny fucks. get the fuck outta here with that shit. no room for it. idiots.
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Post by Kenshin (Banned) on Aug 22, 2016 19:39:29 GMT 1
At karaevfan:
Consistency have been always a problem with the Unfied Rules and the execution of it by the commisions. It's funny when you have a fight where its pretty much 15 minuten of stalling/lay and pray and the referee doesn't interfere at all, and in the very next event you might have Mario Yamasaki standing a fight up after barely 10 second on a Brazil card (that really happened). These inconsitencys are so dumb because they change pretty much the sport or better said the outcomes of fights, which are so important for these athlestes considering they usually have only 2-4 a year to showcase theyr craft.
I don't think there is going to be a real objective and consistent method of determining what is a 10-8 or even 10-7 round (or even 10-6), like it is the case usually in boxing/kickboxing - because how you would do that in MMA anyway? But it is still better to have this kind of scoring because it is pretty stupid to have rounds where barely anything happened and no real damage was dealt scored the same than rounds that were total shutdowns. Personally, I consider how much damage was done, how dominant the round was as a whole and how close the fight was about to get finished. I think that it's not so hard to give fair and consistent rounds below 10-9 that way.
In all fairness, the judges have actually improved over the years. Not that long ago fighters would constantly win rounds by simply getting a takeown at some point during the round, and basically nothing else mattered, even if they would get theyr ass kicked during the rest of the round. Now the judges seem to understand that being on your back for a bit of time doesn't automatically means you're losing the fight.
I still don't understand why there are barely draw rounds though. I mean, sometimes these rounds are so fucking close, I can't even imagine that they ALWAYS could come up with a reasonable logic to give one fighter the edge.
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Post by themagi on Aug 22, 2016 23:53:58 GMT 1
Former Bellator commentator Sean Wheelock and John McCarthy have spearheaded some big changes into how MMA fights are being scored. Commissions have been encouraged to start bringing these changes into effect now, but it's not law until 1/1/17 and even then it's not concrete that each individual state will have to abide by them, but the major ones such as Nevada and California have said that they welcome these changes with open arms. Basically they want to get away from the boxing led ways of scoring fights with a more liberal use of 10-8 and even, IMO mistakenly, 10-7 rounds. I was hoping to bring this up in the next Fightcast but I know that I will have trouble framing it verbally and it won't come out as intended.
Three major points must be taken into account for the 10-8/10-7 rounds they are impact (originally damage, but a rep from the New Jersey commish voiced disapproval so it was changed), duration and dominance. If two of those are in place during a round then a 10-8 round must be considered, all three 10-8 is a must. A 10-7 round is if one fighter is said to be in such control that a stoppage could possibly be warranted, but isn't. There was also crazy talk of things like blood loss and visible depletion of spirit being taken into consideration. That is just utter BS, it's unreal.
I get that change happens, sometimes for the better, sometimes not but my take is that without some kind of judge valuation and review process then these changes are going to wreak havoc on scorecards most definitely in the short term. The possibility of drawn bouts will increase especially with some of these judges on the MMA scene and they don't help anybody in a situation without an extra round. Early going with these new policies seems to be that if you can take your opponent down and keep him there without causing a great deal of damage the chances of getting a 10-8 round are amplified, and I f'n hate that style of fighting. I have yet to watch the whole UFC 202 card from start to finish so I'm not sure how things laid out over the weekend but I will do that over the next couple of days.
For what it's worth I thought that round 1 of McGregor-Diaz II was worthy of a 10-8 round as was round three to Diaz but not as defined as the opener. My tally watching the fight live was 48-46 or 47-46 to McGregor.
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Post by h on Aug 24, 2016 2:19:20 GMT 1
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Post by karaevfan on Aug 24, 2016 2:33:21 GMT 1
I don't think there is going to be a real objective and consistent method of determining what is a 10-8 or even 10-7 round (or even 10-6), like it is the case usually in boxing/kickboxing - because how you would do that in MMA anyway? But it is still better to have this kind of scoring because it is pretty stupid to have rounds where barely anything happened and no real damage was dealt scored the same than rounds that were total shutdowns. Personally, I consider how much damage was done, how dominant the round was as a whole and how close the fight was about to get finished. I think that it's not so hard to give fair and consistent rounds below 10-9 that way. In all fairness, the judges have actually improved over the years. Not that long ago fighters would constantly win rounds by simply getting a takeown at some point during the round, and basically nothing else mattered, even if they would get theyr ass kicked during the rest of the round. Now the judges seem to understand that being on your back for a bit of time doesn't automatically means you're losing the fight. I still don't understand why there are barely draw rounds though. I mean, sometimes these rounds are so fucking close, I can't even imagine that they ALWAYS could come up with a reasonable logic to give one fighter the edge. Makes sense. I remember a crazy fight a few months ago where it was one guy dropping and beating on a guy for a round, then getting the same thing done to him in the next (Lombard vs Magny?) where there was no 10-8 rounds given. Now that's crazy. MMA is oddly draw-phobic. |
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