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Post by Shadess on Oct 12, 2017 0:27:20 GMT 1
Maybe that'll be some China tv announcement then perhaps?
Money on CCTV-5/Qinghai.
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Post by dvewlsh on Oct 12, 2017 3:47:04 GMT 1
Oh nice they're at least streaming it in China now. Checked their listings a few days ago and wasn't there then. Was wondering if they're doing it Topking style of just running events in China and not showing them anywhere  This is from Rudmann, mind you. I'm supposed to talk to him in a little bit here and I'll try to get more out of him. |
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Post by Shadess on Oct 12, 2017 4:48:47 GMT 1
Yeah they had some sites listed there now, just not some days ago.
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Post by JustBleedFan on Oct 12, 2017 6:39:49 GMT 1
Is anybody hyped for this? I just realized this starts at 4am for me, which is ridiculous. I'm hyped for every Glory card because I really enjoy them. This card obviously starts super early in North America because of the time difference from China. But with UFC Fight Pass one can easily watch the SFS any time and WatchESPN.com has the ability to replay the main card as well if not live. Plus there's a tv broadcast of the main card the next day on ESPN2 here in the U.S. at least. In my case on the East Coast of the U.S., I will probably get up after 8:30 AM just in time for the Bigfoot vs Rico SFS headliner and then watch the main card starting at 9 AM before going back to watch the whole SFS from the beginning so I don't screw up my sleep schedule too much. |
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Post by JustBleedFan on Oct 12, 2017 6:52:36 GMT 1
I'm having a hard time even pretending to care about this. I was doing an interview with Scott Rudmann last night and he cut me short because he was at dinner with his girlfriend and I'm just entirely fine if this never gets finished and I can just take a million naps instead. I always find it a little odd and perhaps a bit sad that many fans of kickboxing on the forums and even the very few journalists covering it in any fashion seem to hate the sport. Or at least are so negative about it they may as well hate it. Even you guys on the Liverkick podcast-which I enjoyed listening to what new episodes that you had this year- give these long exasperated sighs during the discussion like someone was holding a gun to your head forcing you to talk about it. I'm never surprised any more when people wonder why kickboxing isn't more popular here in North America at least, especially when so many of the industry stakeholders seem to be beyond caring and completely over the sport. |
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Post by JustBleedFan on Oct 12, 2017 7:10:10 GMT 1
For my man samurai1, did you check the odds for this card? Only lines on two fights with so many Chinese fighters who are little known in the West. Here are the openers on 5Dimes earlier today, although Rico's moneyline was subsequently bet down like crazy. I really like the under 1½ rounds in the Rico vs Bigfoot mismatch with how many times the latter has been quickly knocked out in MMA recently. Although Rico's interview on Glory's YouTube has me a bit worried since he said he might feel Bigfoot out in round 1 and put the pressure on his opponent to stop him in round 2 or 3. I also think Marcus vs Pereira, who both looked in incredible shape in the Inside Glory 46 videos, might not go the distance, so I am feeling the under 4½ in the middleweight title fight. GLORY Kickboxing 46: China Guangzhou Gymnasium Guangzhou, China October 14, 2017 GLORY 46 China - (ESPN3, 9AM ET) GLORY Middleweight 85 kg Championship: Alex Pereira +200 Simon Marcus -280 Over 4.5 -150 Under 4.5 +110 GLORY 46 SuperFight Series - (UFC Fight Pass, 6AM ET) Heavyweight Headline Bout: Antonio Silva +1050 Rico Verhoeven -2150 Over 1.5 +135 Under 1.5 -175 |
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Post by samurai1 on Oct 12, 2017 11:11:59 GMT 1
For my man samurai1 , did you check the odds for this card? Only lines on two fights with so many Chinese fighters who are little known in the West. Here are the openers on 5Dimes earlier today, although Rico's moneyline was subsequently bet down like crazy. I really like the under 1½ rounds in the Rico vs Bigfoot mismatch with how many times the latter has been quickly knocked out in MMA recently. Although Rico's interview on Glory's YouTube has me a bit worried since he said he might feel Bigfoot out in round 1 and put the pressure on his opponent to stop him in round 2 or 3. I also think Marcus vs Pereira, who both looked in incredible shape in the Inside Glory 46 videos, might not go the distance, so I am feeling the under 4½ in the middleweight title fight. GLORY Kickboxing 46: China Guangzhou Gymnasium Guangzhou, China October 14, 2017 GLORY 46 China - (ESPN3, 9AM ET) GLORY Middleweight 85 kg Championship: Alex Pereira +200 Simon Marcus -280 Over 4.5 -150 Under 4.5 +110 GLORY 46 SuperFight Series - (UFC Fight Pass, 6AM ET) Heavyweight Headline Bout: Antonio Silva +1050 Rico Verhoeven -2150 Over 1.5 +135 Under 1.5 -175 Seeing how easily Rico disposed of Benny in the second fight, I think he will do something similar to bigfoot as well. Benny was also very flat footed, slow in that fight and is generally chinny, "qualities" that also bigfoot has, only he is slower, less technical, more flat footed, shorter, less experienced and even more chinny. So I think it's a safe to have rico by stoppage under 2 rounds. I'm going to put 500$. |
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Post by dvewlsh on Oct 12, 2017 18:40:40 GMT 1
I'm having a hard time even pretending to care about this. I was doing an interview with Scott Rudmann last night and he cut me short because he was at dinner with his girlfriend and I'm just entirely fine if this never gets finished and I can just take a million naps instead. I always find it a little odd and perhaps a bit sad that many fans of kickboxing on the forums and even the very few journalists covering it in any fashion seem to hate the sport. Or at least are so negative about it they may as well hate it. Even you guys on the Liverkick podcast-which I enjoyed listening to what new episodes that you had this year- give these long exasperated sighs during the discussion like someone was holding a gun to your head forcing you to talk about it. I'm never surprised any more when people wonder why kickboxing isn't more popular here in North America at least, especially when so many of the industry stakeholders seem to be beyond caring and completely over the sport. I've been covering it for ten years now. Been watching for 25. The sport has done nothing but degrade since then. Just entirely degrade to the point where it's always on the verge of wiping out its own existence through someone's baseless arrogance, stupidity or downright ignorance. Since covering kickboxing I've had death threats from organized crime syndicates on two continents, stalkers threaten my family over inane shit like fighters they like not being ranked highly enough. I've worked closely with a number of promoters, of big-name companies that have thought about, and ultimately decided to stay away from the sport. I've seen false starts that could've meant the salvation of the sport, I've seen promotions start up, waste a ton of money and then die or slowly fade. I've done private contract work for a number of them as an adviser and I'm owed enough money, collectively, to keep my family afloat for at least a year now. Of course I'll never see that money because these companies either stopped existing, disappeared or are international and the price of a lawyer would negate any of the money I'd win in a lawsuit. I wrote a positive article about Bellator a few weeks ago and said absolutely nothing negative about anyone else and Glory execs were upset, to the point where I received a phone call to TELL ME that they were upset. I don't work for them, have never worked for them and the only tie is that their external, third party PR company purchases advertisements on the site. I like most of these people, talk to them regularly to verify or deny stories and am pretty easy to work with in that I don't fuck them over for a cheap pop in hits by posting rumors unless I'm 100% certain it'll happen. Every day, while I'm taking care of my 15-month-old twins, I get countless messages via Facebook, email, etc. from promoters, fighters, managers and fans either begging for positive coverage, or berating me for not doing enough. I'm a giving person and have paid people to write for my site only to have them either never do a damned thing or disappear completely. So the site is mostly just me. That's also why it sucks that GLORY 46 is at 4am. You know that if I don't stay up and cover it, it won't be covered at all until I wake up. When I wake up I have to watch my kids until at least 8pm when they're in bed and the only break will be maybe an hour when they're both miraculously napping at the same time, which probably won't happen. If I don't cover the show live the hits will most likely be atrocious. All of this because I love this dumb sport, filled with dumb people with their dumb expectations. Excuse me if I was venting on a forum that I've been posting on for many years with people that I actually like and who are the few that understand why I'm frustrated/disappointed/tired of certain things. |
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Post by JustBleedFan on Oct 12, 2017 19:43:07 GMT 1
Wow, those are some crazy anecdotes, dvewlsh. I always imagined that covering the sport was a part-time gig that was fun, not stressful for the very few people that did it. I suppose I understand your frustration now. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by JustBleedFan on Oct 12, 2017 19:44:47 GMT 1
Three late changes to the Glory 46 China card. The Sanda rules bout was moved to the SFS portion of the card, Mark Hunt protege Junior Tafa gets a new Chinese opponent Quanchao Luo subbing in for Xiang Ye for his heavyweight bout on the main card and Argentine kickboxer Alan Scheinson steps in to replace Khaial Dzhaniev in a 75 kg bout vs Shanghai Gao.
New updated card below:
Glory 46 China
Middleweight Title Headline Bout: Simon Marcus vs. Alex Pereira
Featherweight Tournament Final Bout: Winner of Bout A vs. Winner of Bout B
Heavyweight Co-Headline Bout: Quanchao Luo vs. Junior Tafa
Featherweight Tournament Semifinal Bout B: Chenglong Zhang vs. Quade Taranaki
Featherweight Tournament Semifinal Bout A: Chenchen Li vs. Masaya Kubo
Glory 46 Super Fight Series
Heavyweight Headline Bout: Rico Verhoeven vs. Antonio “Bigfoot” Silva
Middleweight Bout: Wei Zhou vs. Andre Walker
Catchweight (75 kg) Co-Headline Bout: Shanghai Gao vs. Alan Scheinson
Professional Sanda (60 kg) Bout: Hongxing Kong vs. Yang Sun
Catchweight (53 kg) Bout: Jia Liu vs. Zaza Sor. Aree
Catchweight (68 kg) Bout: Lei Xie vs. Petchpanomrung Kiatmookao
Lightweight Bout: Qinghao Meng vs. Pascal Schroth
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Post by Shadess on Oct 12, 2017 19:47:53 GMT 1
Had missed Dzhaniev was out too. This has taken a couple quite unfortunate hits... Near to an Emei/FF card with an added Rico now. The Sanda bout is a little funny too when it was announced as the first Sanda bout to be broadcast worldwide and then it ends up on fight pass  Saw some dude saying they've sold most of the tickets, which would be a little surprising, but could just be random bs. |
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Post by themagi on Oct 12, 2017 20:16:13 GMT 1
For myself personally, it's a feeling of intrigue rather than anticipation for this one. I'm hoping for some answers to a few questions, but have a feeling that the aftermath will most likely leave with more than when it started.
My honest assessment is that despite the talk of the beginning of a genuine push into the seemingly lucrative but just as seemingly labyrinthine Chinese market, this card has the appearance of something that isn't necessarily here for the long haul. I must write however, that in contrast to that, GSI's decision to hook up with Sanda/Wushu Fed's is a smart move, at the initial stage at least. But Xe Yiang's removal from the event highlights the problems with having those affiliated fighters connected tightly to events, as Shadess pointed out some time ago, but that's not a problem that is limited to GLORY, obviously. Just the price of doing business in China, I guess.
Did GSI make any sort of move for Taizan Dong? Having him and Yao Ming doing media in the run up to the event would have been newsworthy, for 30 minutes at least, surely?
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Post by dvewlsh on Oct 12, 2017 20:29:43 GMT 1
Wow, those are some crazy anecdotes, dvewlsh. I always imagined that covering the sport was a part-time gig that was fun, not stressful for the very few people that did it. I suppose I understand your frustration now. Thanks for sharing. Yeah dude, sorry, I wasn't trying to rag on ya, it's just a frustrating sport to be immersed in. Kakutougi is a place where I can say "my god, why?!" The podcast gets some of that because Jay is deep in the sport and has seen and heard all of it. So it will turn into us just being like "why is this happening?!" The good news is that our complaints about 8-man tournaments might be paying off very soon. |
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Post by Shadess on Oct 13, 2017 21:18:25 GMT 1
I'll try and remember to take a looksie at the China streams tomorrow but (probably) more people have "booked" the stream just on yy than watched the last show on ESPN2. Probably, since it didn't make it into the top150 programs so had to have been not that many viewers.
Also SFS free on fight pass.
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Post by dvewlsh on Oct 13, 2017 22:21:22 GMT 1
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