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Post by Shadess on Feb 3, 2021 19:11:08 GMT 1
This can't be real, impossible to be invested such amounts! Nobody would even be that stupid, Chatri is not promoting in the US. Plus I don't know how rich is this guy. Is he even billionaire?
They spend a ton of money on marketing, a huge chunk goes there. Chatri has been very, very good at getting investment money. |
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Post by kickboxer (Banned) on Feb 4, 2021 0:36:20 GMT 1
ONE is nothing than an overrated and pretty unknown promotion. These sums are not real but they will still go down easily. Catri is maybe good at something else, not at running a fighting promotion. If he will not sell to some Chinese, he will never recover this money and nobody will even care about ONE in MMA (in kickboxing he does not look to head to Glory level, and his Muaythai is also pretty much limited plus worldwide nobody cares about this sport). Also the Chinese are not stupid, they would buy the UFC. The Asian market is huge and money could be made. With or without PPV. But ONE is a money losing machine, they can't even sell tickets. This promotion is a terrible hybrid and Chatri as a man has dictatorial aspects. But that's only my opinion.
The only promotion that was once like the UFC in some aspects was K-1. After that, it fell.
Glory could continue on the PPV trend, who knows... I have nothing against ONE, but they are terrible! We have to say they are not successful.
It's a shame, because ONE normally on MMA and even Muay Thai could sell very expensive television rights contracts even in Asia. I don't know, maybe we are understimating Asia and even China. K-1 crashed quickly.
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Post by K1power on Feb 4, 2021 10:48:38 GMT 1
Do people rate ONE that highly though? Some people might, but from what I can see at least most serious fightfans seem to recognise exactly what ONE is. I disagree about ONE being an unknown promotion, though. Every fightfan knows ONE. Their brand name is not on the same level as UFC/Bellator/Glory/K-1, but it's definitely a pretty well known name. Besides how can a promotion be overrated and unknown at the same time? It makes absolutely no sense. As far as China buying UFC goes; they actually tried in 2016, but ultimately it was sold to WME/IMG now known as Endeavor, which I think is an American company with a Chinese subsidiary. And finally you may say you have nothing against ONE, but your midnight ranting and previous posts about them tell me you clearly do. There's obviously some sort of resentment you hold against ONE/Chatri for the whole Stoica/Kryklia situation at least. It's not that I have a high opinion of ONE, it's just that you make some very random points in your rant that don't necessarily hold any water. |
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Post by Shadess on Feb 4, 2021 20:11:59 GMT 1
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Post by kickboxer (Banned) on Feb 5, 2021 18:04:48 GMT 1
Do people rate ONE that highly though? Some people might, but from what I can see at least most serious fightfans seem to recognise exactly what ONE is. I disagree about ONE being an unknown promotion, though. Every fightfan knows ONE. Their brand name is not on the same level as UFC/Bellator/Glory/K-1, but it's definitely a pretty well known name. Besides how can a promotion be overrated and unknown at the same time? It makes absolutely no sense. As far as China buying UFC goes; they actually tried in 2016, but ultimately it was sold to WME/IMG now known as Endeavor, which I think is an American company with a Chinese subsidiary. And finally you may say you have nothing against ONE, but your midnight ranting and previous posts about them tell me you clearly do. There's obviously some sort of resentment you hold against ONE/Chatri for the whole Stoica/Kryklia situation at least. It's not that I have a high opinion of ONE, it's just that you make some very random points in your rant that don't necessarily hold any water.
Overrated in the world of fighting and unknown, compared to Glory now for instance. Glory at least tries to make some noise and attracts some new fans.
If ONE would have been so known in Asia, they wouldn't have paid for their tickets. Fact.
Not at all, I have no resentment. I don't want ONE to disappear but to become successful. Though the kickboxing chaos will be hard to be corrected, even if they don't take anymore matches on short notice.
I just think it's interesting how some fans are jumping on ONE, shitting on Glory. Might be Asians though.
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Post by kickboxer (Banned) on Feb 5, 2021 18:15:43 GMT 1
I feel Chatri is throwing false numbers.  Do you know what $200 million means? Chatri 
Do you want me to show you what events Eduardo put up with only 150 thousand dollars? And he also had Americans with names.
How to spend $200 million a year or more if all 21 events probably don't cost more than $15 million in the worst case? Or 20 let's say.
But if you have Mittal near you, then you can say anything.
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Post by K1power on Feb 5, 2021 18:19:27 GMT 1
Overrated in the world of fighting and unknown, compared to Glory now for instance. Glory at least tries to make some noise and attracts some new fans. If ONE would have been so known in Asia, they wouldn't have paid for their tickets. Fact. Not at all, I have no resentment. I don't want ONE to disappear but to become successful. Though the kickboxing chaos will be hard to be corrected, even if they don't take anymore matches on short notice. I just think it's interesting how some fans are jumping on ONE, shitting on Glory. Might be Asians though. 'Overrated in the world of fighting'? Can you name an example of anyone in the fight community claiming ONE is a great promotion? Because that's what you're saying. I never saw anyone jumping on ONE. Ever. Just curious where these alleged fanboys are hiding. While we're at it; if Asians don't know about ONE, how could and why would they shit on Glory to defend ONE? None of your reasoning checks out. And being well known doesn't automatically translate to people buying tickets. I know the UFC, but never bought a ticket to one of their events. And they've held events nearby. Fact. The more you deny having issues with ONE and use arguments like the above, the more you make yourself look like you're in denial. |
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Post by kickboxer (Banned) on Feb 5, 2021 18:39:43 GMT 1
Maybe it's proved in life you need relationships and luck, in the case of some. Wall Street, oil... In fact these people don't make much money, and is seen in their real businesses! Bankruptcy writes on ONE. Chatri treats his employees like hell and thinks he's a god. There is no way to make hundreds of millions of dollars or even billions in just 20-25 years. Unless you steal, if you don't invent something. Being a broker also sucks, it's like gambling. ONE is valued my ass at 1 billion, when 6 were rumours for the UFC! Realistically it is worth anywhere between 50 and 150 million. I am just amazed by the sold donuts! Do you think Andurand doesn't want to sell after years of disaster? ONE is not at the level of Glory, their MMA is still awful although there is huge potential in MMA considering the UFC is crap as level, but they pretend to be UFC level. Anyway, not my business. Meanwhile nobody cares about both Glory and ONE, and generally our sport. Glory failed to take over in the US, they destroyed an existing market in Europe and the sport. I don't dislike if they promote also their company, but I feel journalists manipulate heavily for ONE. About fans, we know they are dumb, especially non-continental Europeans. I just think a counterfeit product will not help ONE and the sport of kickboxing. I love kickboxing, at the end maybe ONE will do it somehow by big wonder, just don't be convinced by these lies. Everyone exaggerates things.
PS. Just saying, Glory was quiet. K-1 was quiet and highly professional. I just feel Chatri is trying to sell and ONE don't invest that much.
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Post by Shadess on Feb 5, 2021 19:53:02 GMT 1
ONE spends a lot more money than Irimia ever did. Glory did spend a lot of money, specially early on, but it became a more steady burn in the later years.
ONE has spent a fuck ton of money just on running facebook ads for half the stuff they post. Like we know they've gotten large amounts of investment money and these numbers come from their financial filings so it's not like they are all made up.
Now, ONE has shall we say "fudged" a little with the revenue numbers they report. A couple years ago most of their revenue wasn't really money, but barter transactions, and they stopped reporting those and instead just lump those made up monetary values among the rest of their revenue.
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Post by Fox on Feb 6, 2021 6:14:49 GMT 1
Im way late to the party but I actually have to agree with captain Romania that Benny's win was no lucky win, I think he wins 5/10 times.
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Post by K1power on Feb 6, 2021 13:51:54 GMT 1
I mean, it all depends on your interpretation and which versions you match up with each other.
Not saying Benny was lucky in a sense that he landed a lucky one in a million shot or something. It was a hard-earned victory where Benny simply showed more heart than Badr and was rewarded for it. Deservedly so.
However, IMO this was the worst version of Badr vs. the best version of Benny and there lies the fluke as far as I'm concerned; the circumstances surrounding their shapes as Badr just came off a serious COVID illness. Now, if you match up the worst version of Badr vs. the best version of Benny 10 times sure, it's a 50-50 toss up and I fully agree with that notion.
Realistically though, when fighters face each other multiple times the circumstances for both are at least a little different each and every time. Badr on a good day shouldn't have much trouble with Benny. At the same shape/fitness, their skillsets are on completely different levels.
But how does the saying go? Hard work beats talent if talent doesn't work.
Badr wasted some of his best years being on the wrong side of the law and taking easy fights for big paychecks in short-lived promotions like Global Fighting Championship and now karma has caught up with him; looking at Badr's record he has been on the decline for a while and I'm a bit weary about what's next for him. Not that I'm exactly feeling bad for him as I never was a fan of him as a person, but it is a terrible waste of talent as an athlete.
He did say he wants to fight more frequently and I guess that's a good first step to try and rebuild something. I'd say put him in a tournament with some up and comers and see how he does there.
But who knows what Glory's next move will be?
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Post by K1power on Feb 6, 2021 13:57:16 GMT 1
Sound quality is awful, but the vid does come with English subs  |
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Post by K1power on Feb 6, 2021 21:06:02 GMT 1
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Post by K1power on Feb 8, 2021 15:07:56 GMT 1
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Post by samurai1 on Feb 8, 2021 15:33:16 GMT 1
That's the only interesting fight left for Doumbe in kickboxing. As hyped as Uber-Kyshenko is he still went to an extra round with Murthel when he was already Uber-Kyshenko, doumbe should still be a rather big favourite over him. Anyway, he is the only one that has a real chance at beating doumbe.
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