K-1 WORLD MAX FINAL 2014 - RESULTS

[rictor]

Oct 13, 2014 19:04:24 GMT 1 dvewlsh said:

Rolo was going through a divorce at the time and pretty much paid nobody, soooo

At least nobody can accuse him of favouritism LoL

[dvewlsh]

Oct 13, 2014 20:19:11 GMT 1 rictor said:

Oct 13, 2014 19:04:24 GMT 1 dvewlsh said:

Rolo was going through a divorce at the time and pretty much paid nobody, soooo

At least nobody can accuse him of favouritism LoL

He paid his ex-wife, at least. She got a few million out of the deal.

[K1power]

This said, I can partly understand these people, considering that they might have been Buakaw hardcore fans for many years and admired him so much etc.

I can't understand them at all. I used to adore Buakaw as well. This pretty much made me do a 180 on him as a person.

And I'm all for freedom of speech, but people THIS stupid shouldn't be allowed to voice an opinion that's based on pretty much nothing IMO.

[K1power]

Here's K-1's full statement btw

K-1 GLOBAL STATEMENT IN REGARDS TO K-1 WORLD MAX FINALS ON OCTOBER 11TH


Ladies and Gentlemen,

On Saturday, October 11th, K-1 held the K-1 World MAX Finals in Pattaya, Thailand. The live event began at 19:00 and the LIVE BROADCAST on TV Channel 7 started at 22:45 showcasing three fights in addition to the main event between Buakaw Benchamek of Thailand and Enriko Kehl from Germany. K-1 has been one of the world’s top fighting brands since it began back in 1993. Buakaw Banchamek (nee Por. Pramuk) began his K-1 career in 2004 where he went on to become the K-1 World MAX Champion for the first time. He went on to win the tournament again and became a big name both in Japan and across the world.

The K-1 World Max tournament is one of the most prestigious championships in all of kickboxing, with the K-1 MAX athletes being some of the most popular across the world. On October 11th the K-1 World MAX Finals in Pattaya were viewed on Thai television as well as via a live internet stream and watched by millions of fans worldwide. Buakaw Banchamek had earned his way into the tournament finals by fighting three previous fights in the tournament, in the Final 16, the Final 4 and the Semi-Finals.

During the fight between Buakaw Banchamek and Enriko Kehl on Saturday evening an incident involving Banchamek and his team occurred before the fight was over. After competing for three rounds Banchamek and his team left the ring and promptly left the arena without a word, all while the judges were tabulating the final scores. Under K-1 rules if a fight is found to be a draw after three rounds of competition there is a fourth and final round to determine a winner, which is what occurred on Saturday evening.

The problem was that Mr. Banchamek and his team had already left the building before the result of the fight could be announced. This left everyone, from fans in attendance to fans viewing around the world, confused as to what had happened. Due to this unprofessional behavior the referee was given no choice but to rule that Mr. Banchamek had forfeited the fight by not returning to the ring to compete in the contracted extension round. This meant that Enriko Kehl was awarded the victory in Banchamek’s absence. Buakaw and his team had clearly showed the world by leaving the ring before the decision was made that he had no intention of accepting the belt or the championship if he had won.

According to K-1 rules, which have not changed in years, if a fight is ruled a draw there must be an extension round to determine a winner. There is a possibility of up to two extension rounds if needed. This information was made explicitly clear to both fighters and is also common practice for K-1 fights of this caliber. This should come as no surprise to someone like Banchamek who has competed in K-1 for over ten years and won two previous K-1 Championships. It was clear that he had no intention of upholding his duties as a K-1 fighter in said fight, which he was paid for in advance on September 22nd before the event.

As stated previously, Banchamek was paid his contracted sum for his fight against Enriko Kehl on September 22nd, well over two weeks in advance of the fight on October 11th. Furthermore, k-1 had an open event and everyone can investigate as they see fit. K-1 has nothing to hide. There was no gambling involved in this event on K-1 behalf.

K-1 Global is proud of the K-1 World MAX Finals in Pattaya event and appreciates the support of the fans across the world. K-1 also appreciates all of the efforts by the fighters on the event and would like to instead focus on all of the fighters who put their hard work into entertaining the fans around the world rather than those spinning false conspiracies.

Office of K-1 Global Holdings
www.k-1.tv/2014/10/k-1-global-statement-in-regards-to-k-1-world-max-finals-on-october-11th/

[Kenshin (Banned)]

Oct 13, 2014 21:38:03 GMT 1 K1power said:

This said, I can partly understand these people, considering that they might have been Buakaw hardcore fans for many years and admired him so much etc.

I can't understand them at all. I used to adore Buakaw as well. This pretty much made me do a 180 on him as a person.

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While you surely are more in the know than the majority of people who are discussing/raging now over the Internet on this topic, do you really know what was the motivation of Buakaw? What lead to his actions and everything that might or might not happened behind the scenes? Seems that we all don't really know that yet. Sure, it doesn't look good for Buakaw for now. It's even hard to imagine that he and his team could come up with something that would explain and justify of what happened - and honestly, they have to. But jumping the gun works in both directions, not just for the Buakaw supporters. I'm not ready yet to make my final judgement.

[K1power]

I'm not jumping the gun at all. Buakaw going to the police, reporting K-1 for the gambling thing and whatnot, that is all just a bunch of weak sauce dude and a huge smoke curtain.

[K1power]

dvewlsh said:

Yeah, it's really kind of frustrating that Glory people take digs at K-1.

I've been [hilariously enough] labeled a Glory nut-hugger and whatever else (even a K-1 hater?!) by people, but seriously, if you genuinely love the sport and care about it you don't give a shit what the brand is, you just care about the general health of the sport, the athletes ability to make a living and being entertained

Yes and no. I agree with what you say, but personally I really do care about the brand.
Kickboxing without K-1 simply is not the same to me and despite me having a great passion for the sport I will never enjoy it to the same degree again if we never get the big K-1 events again. Even the very best fights I saw in Glory, the production of the LEGEND shows and everything that fits in between is a FAR CRY from FEG K-1.

Even though generally speaking the level of kickboxing has evolved (and is constantly evolving) ever since K-1's initial demise, my best memories of the sport are still from the FEG era. And it's not just nostalgia speaking. Fighters today are - for the most part - less charismatic and aren't built up very well by their respective orgs at all, making people care less. The only reason the sport might feel 'more alive' to some now is because of Facebook/social media.

I also have - and feel like I've stated this countless times already - fundamental issues with the very existence of Glory. Its very founders are the trash that at least to a degree helped FEG K-1 into the ground so I hold Glory and everything it stands for (in)directly responsible for fracturing the kickboxing landscape into the clusterfuck it is today and has been in the past few years. Even if you hold no grudge at Glory at all, you must admit that Glory ruined the market for all other orgs by doing everything in their might to sign most of the fighters (at outrageous fees) and beat K-1 Global, which in turn resulted in this new 'Glory V2.0 - Light Edition' which we will see debut at Glory 18. It also resulted in fighters like Saki developing into such diva's & money whores that we'll most likely see them end up in the playgrounds of rich fucks aka GFC/LEGEND etc.

Even though Glory has done some good things (establishment of new weightclasses, 5 round title fights etc.) and I will still watch - and probably enjoy - at the end of the day I still want to see them ran into the ground, even if it does come at the expense of hurting the sport. Glory's existence has hurt the sport more than it made up for as far as I'm concerned.

In my eyes kickboxing needs K-1, but not this diet coke version of it. K-1 needs to rise again into what it once was. I don't think it's a pipe dream, but a lot of changes will have to be made to make it possible over the course of the next few years. Sure enough, despite K-1 hanging on by a thread, lots of Glory guys still must consider K-1 as a serious threat seeing how they go out of their way to make K-1 look bad. Oh well, only time will tell I guess.

[dvewlsh]

Oct 13, 2014 21:57:19 GMT 1 Kenshin (Banned) said:

Oct 13, 2014 21:38:03 GMT 1 K1power said:

I can't understand them at all. I used to adore Buakaw as well. This pretty much made me do a 180 on him as a person.

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While you surely are more in the know than the majority of people who are discussing/raging now over the Internet on this topic, do you really know what was the motivation of Buakaw? What lead to his actions and everything that might or might not happened behind the scenes? Seems that we all don't really know that yet. Sure, it doesn't look good for Buakaw for now. It's even hard to imagine that he and his team could come up with something that would explain and justify of what happened - and honestly, they have to. But jumping the gun works in both directions, not just for the Buakaw supporters. I'm not ready yet to make my final judgement.

You aren't wrong.

There are so many people blindly supporting Buakaw right now that it's almost hard to see through the muck. For right now the onus is on Buakaw and his team to present evidence and proof to all of these various claims that have been made. Until he can substantiate any of these claims what he is doing is a fucking disgrace, I don't care what banner it happened under. 

That's how this works; if someone has a claim that someone or some group wronged them there has to be evidence and proof. Without that it's just he-said, she-said. 

Buakaw says that they changed the rules before the fight? Prove it. You have a card full of fighters, many of which look up to Buakaw as a hero. Prove it. Do they have paperwork citing rule changes? Were the judges and referees in on this? Or were people just genuinely confused as to the difference between K-1 rules and Muay Thai rules? Because to me that seems to be the case.

K-1 was behind a giant gambling ring to fix the fight and make tons of money? Prove it. Them being sponsored by TopBetta proves nothing and if K-1 has been portrayed for past few years as this bumbling, idiotic entity how are they somehow this lucid and cunning to pull together some crazy global conspiracy?

The Thailand Sport Authority would throw Buakaw in jail if he went beyond three rounds? Prove it. According to the results Andrei Kubelin and Lee Sung Hyun went to an extra round on the prelims (http://www.k-1.tv/2014/10/enriko-kehl-crowned-k-1-world-max-champion/), are they in jail right now? Why would only Buakaw go to jail if there was a fourth round? Is there paperwork to prove this? Is there precedent anywhere for this (muay thai fights ARE five rounds, by the by)?

This whole thing is just so fucking silly. 

EDIT: I'm not saying you have to prove it, obviously, haha... Just that Buakaw and his defenders do.

[K1power]

K-1 Global Fires Back After Buakaw Banchamek's Confusing Claims

www.liverkick.com/index.php/item/3221-k-1-global-fires-back-after-buakaw-banchamek-s-confusing-claims

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KICKBOXING: We Love Drama.

[silence]

A bit late to this as i totally forgot the event was taking place ( blame work ). Gotta say im not suprised something went down. As soon as those reports of illegal gambling surfaced the writing was on the wall, tho i wouldnt have predicted a walk out.
Obviously no one knows the real reasons at this time but the truth will come out in the end. I feel sorry for the K-1 organisation. It seems as if forces are against them. At this point they would be better off developing young hungry fighters and that goes for all organisations. For a struggling sport to waste resources on ageing and greedy fighters is a fools errand.

[Kenshin (Banned)]

Yeah, I think that is a good point, about the young and hungry fighters. Take Maximo Suarez for example: I know I have seen him fight before, but those events were so unappealing for me that I didn't really cared. Now that they had this one card, that had this good production value and some good hype behind it, and I've seen him fight and win there, I am curious to see how he would do in his next fight under the K-1 banner. There is definatly enough talent out there, too.

They really just need to get theyr act togehter and be more consistent, like with the weight classes and the format that they're using. Probably easyer said than done, but the name K-1 is still strong and has value.

[Jofeljoh!]

I don't know the full story (yet), and I'm not a blind Buakaw-nuthugger, but I feel something's shady going on, and not on Buakaws part.

Of course that's a big claim that need to be proved by Buakaw's camp, but that is where my source is pointing to, and I'm inclined to believe him.

I'm interested to see how this plays out (and I don't think the K-1 statement clarifies anything for that matter).

[Kenshin (Banned)]

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god damnit, kenshin.